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According to this very interesting article written by an active duty military service man
First of all, I find it odd that these Riverine craft were operating on an excursion from Kuwait to Bahrain. Why were they not hugging close to the coast line? Now, I also find it perplexing to be told that the engines of the boats malfunctioned. If that were the case, an immediate call should have been made and at least, aerial surveillance and support should have been dispatched.
This whole episode is not in keeping with the Code of Conduct. But before we go and demonize a young naval officer, we need ask, did he take orders from someone else? There can be no doubt, after watching the video and the words spoken, there were countless violations of this code. Our honor calls upon us to fight, to resist, not surrender. The ramifications of not doing so means our honor is now being mocked and we’re seen as nothing more than cowards on our knees. Say what you wish, but that’s the perception in the Middle East, especially to our enemies.
According to this very interesting article written by an active duty military service man
First of all, I find it odd that these Riverine craft were operating on an excursion from Kuwait to Bahrain. Why were they not hugging close to the coast line? Now, I also find it perplexing to be told that the engines of the boats malfunctioned. If that were the case, an immediate call should have been made and at least, aerial surveillance and support should have been dispatched.
This whole episode is not in keeping with the Code of Conduct. But before we go and demonize a young naval officer, we need ask, did he take orders from someone else? There can be no doubt, after watching the video and the words spoken, there were countless violations of this code. Our honor calls upon us to fight, to resist, not surrender. The ramifications of not doing so means our honor is now being mocked and we’re seen as nothing more than cowards on our knees. Say what you wish, but that’s the perception in the Middle East, especially to our enemies.
He clearly does not have a clue regarding current ROE in that area, the fact that Iranians are not "unfriendlys" (whatever that suppose to mean), and the fact we were in their territory.
Having been in and out of the area several times myself, it is clear West does not have a clue about any of it.
The boats were transiting close, the damn area is not all that big, any closer especially "hugging" brings the danger of hitting shallow areas with sandbars shifting constantly. They have not released what happened, but to me it seems that one boat was leading and charted/was not paying attention to navigation, and the other boat following was not paying attention at all.
Guess what, navigation errors happen, we just had a mine sweeper destroyed because it landed itself on a reef due to a navigation mistake. The USS San Francisco collided with an underwater mountain due to a nav mistake, I could go on and on about it.
They either had some sort of malfunction at the same time, or came to a stop to figure things out when the Iranians approached. At that, the on scene commander probably did not envision being arrested, but rather that the Iranians were following standard protocol in dealing with territorial intrusions, that is provide assistance if broke, or escort back out.
It is absurd, idiot, f***ing stupid to even suggest that the US should have just started opening fire on approaching Iranians when we were in their territory.
As I stated numerous times on other threads; at least the Iranians did not blow the boats out of the water. After Turkey shot down the Russian jet, it was the US gov that stated "countries have the right to defend their territory". So luckily the Iranians acted more civil than the Turks do, and did not take the US government's advice to blow the boats out of the water.
I wonder what Allen West's feelings would be if the reverse happened? Does he think Iranians have the right to shoot at US vessels if the Iranians were in US waters? I would bet anything he would never state or even feel this way.
We are not at war with Iran, they are not a group who we engage in combat action upon sight as if they are the Taliban or something in a combat zone. Allen West is a nutcase.
He clearly does not have a clue regarding current ROE in that area, the fact that Iranians are not "unfriendlys" (whatever that suppose to mean), and the fact we were in their territory.
Having been in and out of the area several times myself, it is clear West does not have a clue about any of it.
The boats were transiting close, the damn area is not all that big, any closer especially "hugging" brings the danger of hitting shallow areas with sandbars shifting constantly. They have not released what happened, but to me it seems that one boat was leading and charted/was not paying attention to navigation, and the other boat following was not paying attention at all.
Guess what, navigation errors happen, we just had a mine sweeper destroyed because it landed itself on a reef due to a navigation mistake. The USS San Francisco collided with an underwater mountain due to a nav mistake, I could go on and on about it.
They either had some sort of malfunction at the same time, or came to a stop to figure things out when the Iranians approached. At that, the on scene commander probably did not envision being arrested, but rather that the Iranians were following standard protocol in dealing with territorial intrusions, that is provide assistance if broke, or escort back out.
It is absurd, idiot, f***ing stupid to even suggest that the US should have just started opening fire on approaching Iranians when we were in their territory.
As I stated numerous times on other threads; at least the Iranians did not blow the boats out of the water. After Turkey shot down the Russian jet, it was the US gov that stated "countries have the right to defend their territory". So luckily the Iranians acted more civil than the Turks do, and did not take the US government's advice to blow the boats out of the water.
I wonder what Allen West's feelings would be if the reverse happened? Does he think Iranians have the right to shoot at US vessels if the Iranians were in US waters? I would bet anything he would never state or even feel this way.
We are not at war with Iran, they are not a group who we engage in combat action upon sight as if they are the Taliban or something in a combat zone. Allen West is a nutcase.
why do you keep on calling people idiot and a nutcase?
are you capable of a civilized conversation.
well,
Allen west posted
Now, I also find it perplexing to be told that the engines of the boats malfunctioned. If that were the case, an immediate call should have been made and at least, aerial surveillance and support should have been dispatched. The next thing would have been immediate dispatching of a recovery vessel to support these two boats. Regardless of one or two boat engines malfunctioning, what should have happened after a distress call was all hands manning the boat weapons. They should have been in an immediate defensive posture to secure themselves until recovery was complete — or they were back underway.
Your explanation to that is.... ?
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