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Universal health care = universal poor care or no care.
Do you really want a government official to determine how long you can live, what drug you can take, and what treatment you should or should not get? Even you want to pay for a different service, there would be none.
Socialism has not achieved anything except for making everybody equal - equally poor.
Reality check. Doctors make ALL medical decisions in Canada. No government official is involved.
The approval of drugs is something YOU want oversight on. You have that now in the US, just like Canada.
Well....... Here it is: UnitedHealth expects to lose nearly $1 billion on Obamacare - Jan. 19, 2016
I was at a medical meeting last week which confirmed this. Did United Healthcare still make a profit? Yes- but they lost thier shirts on Obamacare.
United is making us pre-auth EVERYTHING now in an effort to limit services. Soon the Blues will follow. A single payer system would probably do the same, but then you have one devil instead of six.
Again, the problem with "single payer" or "medicare for all" is that it would bankrupt many, many hospitals and physician practices. Now that would not help anyone. However, I don't think that the government has the ability/will to increase medicare reimbursement if a single payer was approved. The elimination of large groups of physicians and hospitals would not be beneficial in a sitution in which there are already shortages.
We have this little problem of rising, high overhead in medicine that has to be faced. Creating a "single payer" does not magically eliminate that overhead.
You might want to check into the UHC story a little closer.
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United's exchange enrollment this year came to only about 540,000, out of total exchange enrollments of more than 9 million. In other words, it was a big nationwide insurer with less than 6% of this particular market segment, spread among more than a dozen states.
It's notable that United's announcement Thursday of its discontent with its ACA experience--"market data has signaled higher risks...while our own claims experience has deteriorated," its CEO Stephen Hemsley said in a conference call--comes only weeks after the company's chief financial officer, David Wichmann, projected that the exchanges would develop "into a strong viable growth market for us.
Before the ACA, the individual insurance market was a playground for profiteering insurers who did their best to exclude risky customers; now they have to serve all comers, and the right price and conditions for managing that mandate are still being worked out. UnitedHealth may not be patient enough to see the challenge through, but others are...so far. Why UnitedHealth's threat to pull out of Obamacare isn't as scary as it seems - LA Times
Universal health care = universal poor care or no care.
Do you really want a government official to determine how long you can live, what drug you can take, and what treatment you should or should not get? Even you want to pay for a different service, there would be none.
Socialism has not achieved anything except for making everybody equal - equally poor.
This is why if we go with a more universal HC system that we continue as Medicare today, and that is keep the delivery of the HC mainly within the private sector.
Don't have any numbers and just thinking off the cuff, but doesn't Universal Care cut some of that overhead?
Curious as to what percentage of overhead is spent on dealing with private insurers etc.
Dealing with the privates is not large overhead beyond say dealing with Medicare. But when you eliminate the privates you do eliminate many repetitive bureaucracies and overheads, as well as many private sector jobs. At the state level of gov't and oversight, as well from within the HC carriers
I still favor a public option and let the privates do as they may.
Dealing with the privates is not large overhead beyond say dealing with Medicare. But when you eliminate the privates you do eliminate many repetitive bureaucracies and overheads, as well as many private sector jobs. At the state level of gov't and oversight, as well from within the HC carriers
I still favor a public option and let the privates do as they may.
Reality check. Doctors make ALL medical decisions in Canada. No government official is involved.
The approval of drugs is something YOU want oversight on. You have that now in the US, just like Canada.
You are misusing the term socialism.
Unfortunately Insurance Company's have brainwashed ( not to mentioned lobby Politicians) American's to BE-Lieve Government controls HC decisions. Of course thats what they have been doing for decades..Government has NO control over HC decision by HC Professionals..SO I find it laughable that "FOR PROFIT HC Insurance" is somehow validated??
Socialism is always the fallback by For Profit Entities..claims Government will decide who gets care and who doesn't..It's been BS for many decades..and unfortunately for regular American's Corporate lobbyists won out past half Century..ala Romney's suggestion Corporations are "PEOPLE TOO" comment :roll eyes:
Sorry Mitt..Corporations spend top dollars hedging their bets to maintain PROFITS on the backs of regular folks. Government is non-profit..strives for trying to balance it out..Government forces HC Providers to JUSTIFY ..especially in high cost testings..So once again..It's the Doctor who must justify..Not the patient. The patient cannot demand anything without proof/diagnosis by HC Physicians.
For profit HC is ridiculous.. the reason Insurance Industry is so upset is because THEY CAN"T decide to NOT cover all those things they use to..not to mention refuse to cover so many other HC Issues ( why? because of high costs) SO in the end..who has been making those decisions for the past 50 years?? YEP..HC Insurance Companies..Believe me..In Canada we've had many Americans come up here for treatments that were denied south of the border..and it wasn't the Government that denied it..BUT Insurance Companies!!
American's really have to come to terms with this~~
Unfortunately Insurance Company's have brainwashed ( not to mentioned lobby Politicians) American's to BE-Lieve Government controls HC decisions. Of course thats what they have been doing for decades..Government has NO control over HC decision by HC Professionals..SO I find it laughable that "FOR PROFIT HC Insurance" is somehow validated??
Socialism is always the fallback by For Profit Entities..claims Government will decide who gets care and who doesn't..It's been BS for many decades..and unfortunately for regular American's Corporate lobbyists won out past half Century..ala Romney's suggestion Corporations are "PEOPLE TOO" comment :roll eyes:
Sorry Mitt..Corporations spend top dollars hedging their bets to maintain PROFITS on the backs of regular folks. Government is non-profit..strives for trying to balance it out..Government forces HC Providers to JUSTIFY ..especially in high cost testings..So once again..It's the Doctor who must justify..Not the patient. The patient cannot demand anything without proof/diagnosis by HC Physicians.
For profit HC is ridiculous.. the reason Insurance Industry is so upset is because THEY CAN"T decide to NOT cover all those things they use to..not to mention refuse to cover so many other HC Issues ( why? because of high costs) SO in the end..who has been making those decisions for the past 50 years?? YEP..HC Insurance Companies..Believe me..In Canada we've had many Americans come up here for treatments that were denied south of the border..and it wasn't the Government that denied it..BUT Insurance Companies!!
American's really have to come to terms with this~~
Before the new photo ID health cards became a requirement in Canada; Americans owning property in Canada (thousands) used to pattern their health care around their visits to Canada and avoid that insurance scam crap altogether. Used to drive my Dad nuts when the American next door neighbour on the Burnt River near Fenlon Falls Ontario used to boast about he and his wife getting treated for their illnesses for free in Canada.
Those Americans apparently were very satisfied with their Canadian provided universal healthcare as they both lived to ripe old ages with regularly visiting their GP in Fenlon Falls every summer.
Some Americans are smarter than the majority it would seem.
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