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I think religion is (and should be) irrelevant to legal interpretation and application in the US.
Therein lies an issue personal to you. One can't separate 250+ years of legal precedent, nor much of the original framework that grew out of English common law which has religious connections.
Therein lies an issue personal to you. One can't separate 250+ years of legal precedent, nor much of the original framework that grew out of English common law which has religious connections.
It boils down to a should and could hypothetical.
Ethical/moral premises can be found w/in religious practice/beliefs, but those views can exist just fine on their own w/out any "religious" association.
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Therein lies an issue personal to you. One can't separate 250+ years of legal precedent, nor much of the original framework that grew out of English common law which has religious connections.
It boils down to a should and could hypothetical.
Personal to me?
I think not.
WHERE does any part of US law state it is following religious principles?
This is not an attack on religion or religious people.
However, I question why some are blaming America's problems on irreligious people and secularism – given that countries considered "less religious" than the U.S. often perform better on a number of significant measures, as indicated by various data bellow.
Is religion the answer? Is it necessary for a prosperous society?
I feel as though "growing secularism" is an illegitimate excuse that people use to avoid acknowledging the real causes of issues. Despite that, I am open to discussion and would be willing to change my position if I were legitimately persuaded.
That's bullcrap-
Even if one is an atheist, Christianity and the New Testament provides some valuable lessons and rules (which are often broken by all of us) to live by. Particularly, the parables of Christ definately cause one to pause and examine how you behave in your daily life. There is information there and life lessons that should be appealing to atheists as well.
Does one dispute the merits of the Ten Commandments?
Religion is very personal and individual. Most Catholics do not ram thier religion down the throats of others, talk about religion in public, or give a damn about what others think- that is the way it should be. The Catholic church has had its share of problems, which always occurs in the institutions which propagate the religion, not necessarily in the practice and belief of the religion itself.
WHERE does any part of US law state it is following religious principles?
It doesn't. Most of our laws grew out of English common law which grew out of religious principles. It's just simply history.
By being 'personal' to you, it's not an attack on you. It's simply an individual that wants complete divorce from religion, per se, will never fully get it as our laws have a start, long ago, before the founding of this country, partly/mostly, depending on perspective, from a religious backdrop.
That is why people still have this argument 227 years after the constitution was ratified. History doesn't allow for a complete separation as religion and law were intertwined intimately. It doesn't mean God/religion was cited (although in some cases it is), but tradition.
I think religion is (and should be) irrelevant to legal interpretation and application in the US.
How could that be when the very first amendment addresses religion? The Hobby Lobby decision is just one example of religion being highly relevant.
The 1st Amendments greatest threats today come from those wishing to infringe greatly on "the free exercise" of religion. These threats are mainly coming from the left.
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That's bullcrap-
Even if one is an atheist, Christianity and the New Testament provides some valuable lessons and rules (which are often broken by all of us) to live by. Particularly, the parables of Christ definately cause one to pause and examine how you behave in your daily life. There is information there and life lessons that should be appealing to atheists as well.
Does one dispute the merits of the Ten Commandments?
I agree, but I'm also a believer that there are useful things to be learned from other sources which is why I doubt I'll ever be able to truly believe there is only ONE WAY. I place a lot more stock in how one lives their life 24/7 than in what they may/may not do on their Sabbath of choice.
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Religion is very personal and individual. Most Catholics do not ram thier religion down the throats of others, talk about religion in public, or give a damn about what others think- that is the way it should be. The Catholic church has had its share of problems, which always occurs in the institutions which propagate the religion, not necessarily in the practice and belief of the religion itself.
I don't believe the Church bears responsibility for those problems occurring, the hierarchy should however be held responsible for the way they were handled.
Organized religon sets the basic laws of respecting each other and applies peer pressure to behave.It covers all bases with minimal rules The law is intended as an adjunct to religous oriented rules. Neither can exists without the other. Society requires bothSecularization tries to elbow out religious influence and is obliged to create an infinite list a laws so extensive it encroaches on freedom.
these days radical islam is lumped in with judeo chirstians by activists and in their best liberal slippery slope logic, project all religion in extreme will distort, violate the constitutional rights and more importantly cause offense to the dozen ultrasensitized athethist activists among us.
Un fortunately liberals reject the ability of people to act responsibly.
Unfortunately liberals cannot differentiate the institutionalized radical islam from mainstream judeo christians.
Radical Islam and Radical Christianity are one and the same. Either of them will happily pray for the death of the other.
Interesting title when talking about a country whose founding father's came to this country for religious reasons.
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Some of them. About half the colonies were established at least partly for religious reasons, the other half fully for financial gain.
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