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Originally Posted by whogo
How could that be when the very first amendment addresses religion? The Hobby Lobby decision is just one example of religion being highly relevant.
Or, an example of a conservative leaning SCOTUS?
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The 1st Amendments greatest threats today come from those wishing to infringe greatly on "the free exercise" of religion. These threats are mainly coming from the left.
No, the greatest threat is from those wishing to (mis)interpret the First Amendment and have us believe it compels the practice of religion by everyone.
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. -- James 1:27
Christianity teaches, among other things, to love your neighbor as yourself, and so help and share with those in need.
It also teaches respect for law and authority.
It teaches that we should not murder, or hurt our neighbor
It teaches that we should not steal.
It teaches that we should not falsely deceive or tell lies about our fellow man.
It teaches that we should not commit adultery, and instead love and be faithful to our spouses.
It teaches that we should discipline our children, raise them and teach them these things and the rest of the Christian faith.
According to the OP, the world is better off without these teachings? So apparently the OP thinks the world is better off to teach the Opposite?
people rob- cheat- and sex their money-to get high - be it prescription or heroin or crack -there is no difference, drugs are on the street not at pharmacy prices
I have never been on drugs -but I have heard many say God fixed them from it- there is a chance for change and HOPE-
There are rights and wrongs and our children no longer know the difference. Look at that stupid brawl on the plane by the young ladies-- I saw a total blow out of 6 yrs old on a bus - beating each other - there is no way you will say our country is more moral now- go volunteer at a police dept for a day.
I have, I was cross addicted, and I have been in recovery for 30 years. Did they give any evidence of how God may have done it? If there is no proof to be offered, then it's merely opinion without validation.
Christianity teaches, among other things, to love your neighbor as yourself, and so help and share with those in need.
It also teaches respect for law and authority.
It teaches that we should not murder, or hurt our neighbor
It teaches that we should not steal.
It teaches that we should not falsely deceive or tell lies about our fellow man.
It teaches that we should not commit adultery, and instead love and be faithful to our spouses.
It teaches that we should discipline our children, raise them and teach them these things and the rest of the Christian faith.
According to the OP, the world is better off without these teachings? So apparently the OP thinks the world is better off to teach the Opposite?
This is not an attack on religion or religious people.
However, I question why some are blaming America's problems on irreligious people and secularism – given that countries considered "less religious" than the U.S. often perform better on a number of significant measures, as indicated by various data bellow.
Is religion the answer? Is it necessary for a prosperous society?
I feel as though "growing secularism" is an illegitimate excuse that people use to avoid acknowledging the real causes of issues. Despite that, I am open to discussion and would be willing to change my position if I were legitimately persuaded.
I guess they only interviewed people who have decent jobs who can provide food,shelter, etc for themselves and family.
If you have a good job you are happy.
If you have health you are happy/
If you have a stable home life you are happy.
If you are emotionally at ease with yourself you are happy.
But life is not guaranteed to provide the above. Religion allows one to transit the hard days and appreciate the good ones.
If you have lived a life you have had ups and downs. If not self-absorbed then one realizes how fragile it is and how easily it could be worse.
Do not know where atheist acquire their ethics or morals but do know where they come from in Religion and it works in achieving the four Ifs above.
No, the greatest threat is from those wishing to (mis)interpret the First Amendment and have us believe it compels the practice of religion by everyone.
The 1st Amendment puts religion in play. That is not debateable. Even liberals support certain prohibitions on limitations on the free exercise of religion.
No one is compelled to follow anyone else's religion. Are you referring to individuals who try to compel business owners to violate their religious beliefs in order to provide services they wish not to perform?
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It doesn't. Most of our laws grew out of English common law which grew out of religious principles. It's just simply history.
By being 'personal' to you, it's not an attack on you. It's simply an individual that wants complete divorce from religion, per se, will never fully get it as our laws have a start, long ago, before the founding of this country, partly/mostly, depending on perspective, from a religious backdrop.
As I've said, I believe there are natural laws such as not stealing, not killing, etc. that were in place long before the invention of any religion, so what's to say those religious laws you'd have us believe the country was founded on weren't in place before the religion existed? Are we to believe that before the days of Christ or whatever your God of choice that men stole from each other, killed each other, etc. with no repercussions? As if it took some man-made religion to tell them the error(s) of their ways?
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That is why people still have this argument 227 years after the constitution was ratified. History doesn't allow for a complete separation as religion and law were intertwined intimately. It doesn't mean God/religion was cited (although in some cases it is), but tradition.
I don't believe going back 227 years is anywhere near far enough to learn what shaped human behavior nor do I believe it took the Ten Commandments or anything like them to shape much of accepted behavior.
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