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Old 03-12-2016, 05:53 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Seems the nation is at a crossroads.

The 1st Amendment is not in place to discuss the weather. It is there to discuss very controversial issues. Even revolution.

The 2nd amendment follows the 1st, for many reasons. To maintain a free state, where your voice is protected by your weapon.
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Old 03-12-2016, 07:01 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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True. The First Amendment also protects the right to free speech and the right to peaceable assembly, something which could be (and was last night) denied by revolutionists.
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Old 03-12-2016, 07:05 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Even hate speech is protected by the 2nd amendment..... Oh wait....
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Old 03-12-2016, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Yes, the First Amendment guarantees Free Speech.
However, one must be ready to accept the consequences of Speaking Freely.
SOMEBODY just might be offended enough to go on the attack!
Only a total fool would go to a political rally and expect that he would not be attacked for verbally attacking the candidate!
Those people deliberately set out to create a confrontation, and they got one.
I have no sympathy for them!
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Old 03-12-2016, 07:23 AM
 
Location: east coast
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Only a total fool would go to a political rally and expect that he would not be attacked for verbally attacking the candidate!
Those people deliberately set out to create a confrontation, and they got one.
I have no sympathy for them!
#1 you make too much sense but you already know this.

#2 much of this is funded. Poor black little boys & girls don't go to a majority white trump rally in "brewhah" Idaho to start trouble simply because they want to engage in peace talks. They are being used and abused by a higher establishment.

#3 passion and disruption is a given because we are human. the problem is that we preach free speech and against violence movements but go out and incite this behavior (both sides)

#4 click bait social media economy just go more real.
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Old 03-12-2016, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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What was witnessed last night at Trumps cancelled rally was a clash of cultures. I don't know how much it had to do with free speech?
Trump has really hit a chord with white middle and lower class people who see the country being destroyed by non whites. It is hard to turn on the news and not hear of a criminal incident perpetuated by a minority person. Don't get me wrong there are plenty of white idiots out there that are tearing the place up but between illegal aliens and black thugs many people are sick of the same ol same ol news.

If you want to protest something there are ways to do it but putting yourself into a place like a rally where people are fired up anyway and start problems I think that is pretty stupid and you are asking for a smack down.

On CNN they kept showing a black guy up on the stage and 2 security guys are trying to talk him down. I suppose the guards were fearful of a lawsuit else they would have physically picked that guy up and carried him out of there.

People are already blaming Trump of course but I see this rally as evidence that there is a bigger problem here than anyone thinks.
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Old 03-12-2016, 07:45 AM
 
Location: in here, out there
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There is no such thing as freedom of speech. Speech has its own consequences. As far as the first amendment, it restricts congress, not the population.
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Old 03-12-2016, 07:49 AM
 
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Many "protestors" are just disrupters, eager to get seen and heard and to be loud, unruly and obnoxious. Maybe they're hoping for some kind of payout from incidents they provoke, maybe they just want to lash out and annoy others.
I think that there is room for real protests and politicians seem to run from those that have legitimate grievances and opposing views. If they get wind of them, they'll ban them from rallies and meetings.
So some protestors ambush and get their message across and some get the bums rush out while everybody cheers.
Trump seems to have earned the ire of the left's equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church.
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Old 03-12-2016, 07:51 AM
 
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Yes, the First Amendment guarantees Free Speech.
However, one must be ready to accept the consequences of Speaking Freely.
SOMEBODY just might be offended enough to go on the attack!
Only a total fool would go to a political rally and expect that he would not be attacked for verbally attacking the candidate!
Those people deliberately set out to create a confrontation, and they got one.
I have no sympathy for them!
And those attackers should expect a disproportional response up to and including the potential loss of life for committing a State Felony and Federal Crime against someone exercising their 1st Ammendment right.

The threat of the 2nd guarantees the 1st in the absence of law and order.
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Old 03-12-2016, 08:02 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by Redraven View Post
Yes, the First Amendment guarantees Free Speech.
However, one must be ready to accept the consequences of Speaking Freely.
SOMEBODY just might be offended enough to go on the attack!
Only a total fool would go to a political rally and expect that he would not be attacked for verbally attacking the candidate!
Those people deliberately set out to create a confrontation, and they got one.
I have no sympathy for them!

Here is the problem, most conservatives have with this, "accept the consequences" attitude that includes violence.

Your first Amendment ends at the tip of my nose.
You may yell and scream what ever your little heart desires, however vulgar, hateful and derogatory, it may be..
I may scream back what ever vulgar insults I may wish.

The consequences are assault or my murder, for what I have said, is now somehow justified?
Words...
Assault...
Murder...


There is a reason most do not understand, why the 2nd amendment, immediately follows the first, in the Bill of inalienable Rights.
No one has the right to punish you, for what you say. No one. Thus the right to protect yourself, follows the right to speak your mind.
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