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Old 03-27-2016, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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I have many gay and straight friends who didn't have kids. For some it was conscious choice, and for others it was not finding Mr/Mrs Right, or losing a spouse through death or divorce before having kids. My married gay friends (DINKS- double income no kids) are rolling in money. None of them are drinking alone in bars bitching about other people's kids or kidding themselves that they are envied.
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Old 03-27-2016, 05:58 PM
 
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Exactly, you are dependent on someone-else's kids to attend to your old age needs. Kids/the next generation are indispensable to society and society should support that through tax breaks and free education (taxpayer funded education is in most state constitutions).
You see that's where we differ.

I don't advocate using other people's money to pay for my own expenses or even to advance my own political agenda - aka how a society should or should not do.

How to raise and educate children is their parents' responsibilities not the taxpayers. If it is the taxpayers, we should have implemented some measures to ensure our money is not wasted. For example, the recipients should ensure their children become productive citizens and not commit crimes.
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Old 03-27-2016, 06:02 PM
 
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The military at least benefits us all. Who does tax credits, school tax etc. for children benefit? Only their parents.

If we consider the terrible effects we have done to other animals and lives, having children is a really bad idea.
The Shakers made great furniture but died out because they didn't believe in procreation.
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Old 03-27-2016, 06:07 PM
 
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My company pays those with family two dollars more an hour for the same exact job, they get pick of scedule and no overtime or weekend work, just for getting some one pregnant
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Old 03-27-2016, 06:15 PM
 
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My company pays those with family two dollars more an hour for the same exact job, they get pick of scedule and no overtime or weekend work, just for getting some one pregnant

That is serious bullsh!t!

(Sorry, but that doesn't sit right with me.)

It's like when my co-worker says that I should be the one to travel or whatever because I don't have kids to take care of. That's ridiculous. When you have kids, you take on the burdens, responsibilities, and sacrifices that come along with it. I don't have kids, so I don't have to take on your burdens and sacrifices for your kids. Stuff like that bugs me.

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Old 03-27-2016, 06:16 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The military at least benefits us all. Who does tax credits, school tax etc. for children benefit? Only their parents.

If we consider the terrible effects we have done to other animals and lives, having children is a really bad idea.


Society is one big organism, parents and their kids are not islands. Society also benefits us all.
Kids are not the possessions of their parents, but independent humans and as such part of society as well, thus their well-being is in the interest of all of society.
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Old 03-27-2016, 06:17 PM
 
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My company pays those with family two dollars more an hour for the same exact job,
I don't believe you. Can you give more deatils?
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Old 03-27-2016, 06:33 PM
 
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There are a few people in this thread who will do the world a favor by staying single or not having children.
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Old 03-27-2016, 06:36 PM
 
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I'm glad I didn't have kids......I would have probably been a worse parent that a lot of the horrible parents I see while out and about.

You make choices in life.....there is usually going to be positive and negative consequences with those choices.
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Old 03-27-2016, 06:38 PM
 
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That is serious bullsh!t!

(Sorry, but that doesn't sit right with me.)

It's like when my co-worker says that I should be the one to travel or whatever because I don't have kids to take care of. That's ridiculous. When you have kids, you take on the burdens, responsibilities, and sacrifices that come along with it. I don't have kids, so I don't have to take on your burdens and sacrifices for your kids. Stuff like that bugs me.
What you have stated is how *some* parents believe, many others are not like that and they do travel for their jobs and take on all the responsibilities that come along with having children and a job where one has to travel, work evenings, weekends or overtime. We are adults who did all of these things often when our children were young.
So blame your co-worker bugging you but no one else.
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