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Old 04-16-2016, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Insurers warn losses from ObamaCare are unsustainable | TheHill

...another success for Obama and the democrats.
Most excellent. We need to remove the insurers from the equation completely. They add expense without any value to offset it.
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Old 04-16-2016, 06:18 PM
 
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Sooner or later...universal health care will be a reality. Canada's first province started universal health care in the 50s...it wasnt until 1984 that universal health care was established in the entire country by the ironically CONSERVATIVE PM and parliament. It took almost 30 years but it eventually happened.
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Old 04-16-2016, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Teddy Roosevelt campaigned on a promise to create a healthcare system modeled after the German System more than 100 years go. He never got around to following through. No shortage of candidates/ presidents who talked about doing something.

Nixon probably got the closest of any POTUS to achieving universal healthcare.
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Mountain Home, ID
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You know they've never recorded an 8.0 in California, right?
No, but it's come damn close. The San Fransisco quake of 1906 was an estimated 7.8.
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Old 04-17-2016, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Once we eliminated the private insurance system overhead from the health care system we can start applying cost controls to the services and drug companies. That will make health care affordable.
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Old 04-17-2016, 06:01 AM
 
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Once we eliminated the private insurance system overhead from the health care system we can start applying cost controls to the services and drug companies. That will make health care affordable.
Therefore drug companies that can't make any profits from their research will not make any new drugs. Fewer people will not be doctors as there isn't money to be made.
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Old 04-17-2016, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Are you saying that more Americans are getting better care then under the previous insurance system?
Everyone I know including me was, yes.
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Old 04-17-2016, 07:25 AM
 
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Everyone I know including me was, yes.
As was I.
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Old 04-17-2016, 09:13 AM
 
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a small number at a pretty high cost as the cost side was never addressed because the insurance and pharmaceutical companies had to be pacified.
and also by degrading and raising the cost of care for others. The ACA is largely financed by more deficit spending, but it is partially paid for, and that includes cuts to Medicare and taxes on commercial insurance.

Which should be a warning to conservatives who support single payer -- the government has a track record of reducing the access of middle-class people to care to fund expansion of access to the poor and lowered government expenditure. This is widespread in places like the UK. Do you honestly think this won't happen in a single-payer U.S. system in a much bigger way? Of course it would.
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Old 04-17-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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Therefore drug companies that can't make any profits from their research will not make any new drugs. Fewer people will not be doctors as there isn't money to be made.
What good is 500 doctors that few can afford to go see?

Researchers will still research. They arent going to start flipping burgers.
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