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Old 05-10-2016, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I once saw a short film that someone had posted here on CD I think it was. The movie showed a black neighborhood within a city in the 1950's, yes they were segregated but they had built up a fine community where business and people thrived. Fast forward a few decades and what happened? The idylic community is now like a typical ghetto.

Many would blame the drugs that crept into the cities in the 60's and 70's, they are certainly a major problem now. With drugs comes crime of all sorts and the downward spiral of what was once a fine community.

Another major problem in the black community is how they treat each other, they are their own worse enemy. When you think about the progress as a people they have made over the last 150 years it is amazing yet they let themselves get mired down killing each other and perpetuating a the old negative stereotype.

I don't think we need to get rid of civil rights but black people need to smarten up and move onward and upward.

 
Old 05-10-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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I once saw a short film that someone had posted here on CD I think it was. The movie showed a black neighborhood within a city in the 1950's, yes they were segregated but they had built up a fine community where business and people thrived. Fast forward a few decades and what happened? The idylic community is now like a typical ghetto.

I lived in such a community as a child, where we did have our own doctor and our own lawyer and our own pharmacist. We had our own elementary school and our own high school. We had our own restaurant and our own barbershop and even our truant officer.


Notice those were all in the singular; there is no true "thriving" in a petri dish.


The intent of white society in that time was to keep black society in that petri dish, and the moment we began to grow out of that petri dish, white society reacted with vigor.

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Many would blame the drugs that crept into the cities in the 60's and 70's, they are certainly a major problem now. With drugs comes crime of all sorts and the downward spiral of what was once a fine community.

There is growing evidence that was a planned action. Latest testimony in just the last few months is that the distribution of narcotics into the American urban areas was part of a complex plan against Communism in South America, "collateral damage" of the Cold War. For sure, the residents of the urban areas did not set up drug cartel pipelines from South America themselves.

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Another major problem in the black community is how they treat each other, they are their own worse enemy. When you think about the progress as a people they have made over the last 150 years it is amazing yet they let themselves get mired down killing each other and perpetuating a the old negative stereotype.

I don't think we need to get rid of civil rights but black people need to smarten up and move onward and upward.

One of the factors of life in a petri dish is that it is not only vulnerable to the environment of the petri dish but also unable to affect that environment. The black community was always subject to the same social environment impacts as the larger white community. But because the black community was deliberately kept weak and limited, it was far more vulnerable to those social environment impact.


The black community was essentially the "canary in the coal mine." The dangerous delusion of the white community was that the damage suffered by the black community to those social impacts was limited and unique to the black community--that it would never affect the white community.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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I lived in such a community as a child, where we did have our own doctor and our own lawyer and our own pharmacist. We had our own elementary school and our own high school. We had our own restaurant and our own barbershop and even our truant officer.


Notice those were all in the singular; there is no true "thriving" in a petri dish.


The intent of white society in that time was to keep black society in that petri dish, and the moment we began to grow out of that petri dish, white society reacted with vigor.




There is growing evidence that was a planned action. Latest testimony in just the last few months is that the distribution of narcotics into the American urban areas was part of a complex plan against Communism in South America, "collateral damage" of the Cold War. For sure, the residents of the urban areas did not set up drug cartel pipelines from South America themselves.




One of the factors of life in a petri dish is that it is not only vulnerable to the environment of the petri dish but also unable to affect that environment. The black community was always subject to the same social environment impacts as the larger white community. But because the black community was deliberately kept weak and limited, it was far more vulnerable to those social environment impact.


The black community was essentially the "canary in the coal mine." The dangerous delusion of the white community was that the damage suffered by the black community to those social impacts was limited and unique to the black community--that it would never affect the white community.
All of this is very interesting & relevant to present day 'status quo' conditions, thanks & respect for providing/sharing your experiences/insights.

The last part - about the 'dangerous delusion' is particularly relevant & is evidence that we, as a peoples, have a long way to go. Sometimes, attempting to remain 'hopefully optimistic,' is very challenging.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 08:15 AM
 
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Black today use civil rights as a crutch to keep from working or taking responsibility for their actions.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking You're angry...

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Black today use civil rights as a crutch to keep from working or taking responsibility for their actions.
It shows.

 
Old 05-10-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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If the government states that all men are created equal, and black people are people, then why should there need to even exist federal legislation giving black people rights? For the record, I am a black man. I am also an Anarcho-Capitalist, and I do not believe in a government that needs to "issue" rights to people. People should have rights, because rights are natural law, not government law. And as the results of this, one should not need to beg the government for rights, but rather we need to abolish the government that tries to take those rights away from you. I feel that the main issue in the Civil Rights movement was that black people gave the government legitimacy by asking the government for rights. When black people should have been able to succeed despite the government, not because of government.


Now since I criticize Civil Rights, how would I have handled the situation? Well, prior to the Civil Rights movement, black people were showing amazing signs of economic progress. Because Black People understood that the government would NOT step in and help them, then that mean black people had to arm and defend themselves. They also had to build their own communities, their own businesses, build their own schools, and never need a red cent from the government. Back in the 1900s to 1960s black Americans were the most self-sufficient group in America.

I think the only way to fix black America now is to repel all Civil Rights. Because we can talk about genes and low IQs all day. But the bottomline black America is dysfunctional, because black people believe in government more than any other group in America. Black people do NOTHING but wait for government to step in and solve problems. But since the government doesn't know how to solve problems, and black people do. I think we need to just remove all government support out of the black community. Starting with giving blacks no civil rights, no right to vote, no public schools, no police force, and not 1 tax dollar going to help the black community.

The only recourse for black America will be to actually build up their own communities. This mean build their own businesses, build their own schools, and build their own infrastructure. This will stimulate greater economic activity in the black community, and this will in essence rescue the Black Community from big government.
LOL at this.

It seems you are going further and further towards anarchy branh

FYI:

  • The Civil Rights Movement was needed because our government did not actually consider black people to be "people" worthy of rights...
  • Black America is no more "dysfunctional" than any other type of Americans (your inferiority complex is showing with this one)
  • Black people in America by and large do not protest or "wait for government" to solve our problems (your media deception is showing here, you spend too much time online reading "media" outlets and youtube videos)
  • Finally, something most people don't want to admit - there is not particular "Black Community." Black Americans are Americans and America is our country just as much as other Americans. Our families have been in this country longer than most white American's families. We do not all think the same or have the same issues nationwide. Why you would think that all of us have issues with Civil Rights or school or even police is an odd thing to think


Also, if you want to get more black people to buy into your message, why don't you go and post these messages on a forum for black people or on Twitter with the black Twitterers. You are only reaching maybe 10-15 of us and I would bet that most of us just at many of your comments.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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LOL at this.

It seems you are going further and further towards anarchy branh
And that's a problem because....?

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The Civil Rights Movement was needed because our government did not actually consider black people to be "people" worthy of rights...
Ok so why does it matter what the government considers you. Your rights come from the constitution, not the government. Your rights are natural rights, and should be defended. If there is any government institution trying to rob you of rights, the logical solution is to eradicate that government. Not try to increase the government and add more legislation

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[*]Black America is no more "dysfunctional" than any other type of Americans (your inferiority complex is showing with this one)
Wrong, blacks are the most dysfunctional. We're the only group that is commonly made to look dumb and savage in the media. Have you looked at reality shows lately? 50% unemployment rates for black males. These aren't made up numbers, it's an issue. A very high single motherhood rate also exist for black mothers. This is a problem. I understand you say things like this because you want to show an alternative view of black people. And yes I do know MANY productive black people, myself included. But this doesn't mean that the community as a whole isn't having issues. I can't base my perspective on the black people I personally happen to know, because I do know there are many black people who are lost and stuck in a backwards culture.

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Black people in America by and large do not protest or "wait for government" to solve our problems (your media deception is showing here, you spend too much time online reading "media" outlets and youtube videos)
What is Black Lives Matter? Oh yeah, begging the cops not to shoot us. Instead of asking, "why do we have cops in the first place". Civil Rights, begging the government for equal rights instead of asking "Why do we need the governemnt to 'give' us rights". Every black movement has been about asking the government to give us something. And whether you hate to admit it or not, there are many black talk show host who are political and extremely popular among the youth constantly saying "Government need to do something specifically for 'us'".

There is no radical anti-government black leader. Almost all of them, from the mainstreamers like Jesse Jackson, to the psuedo intellects like Polight, to the sensible like Boyce Watkins. Everyone either endorse a movement that begs the government for rights, or is trying to lead a movement themselves.

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Finally, something most people don't want to admit - there is not particular "Black Community." Black Americans are Americans and America is our country just as much as other Americans. Our families have been in this country longer than most white American's families. We do not all think the same or have the same issues nationwide. Why you would think that all of us have issues with Civil Rights or school or even police is an odd thing to think
Yeah and there is no 1 white community, or Asian community, or even hispanic community. People at the end of the days are individually. But whether you like it or not, people ARE judged as groups. And because people are judged as groups, then what someone does impacts you. You can try to be as "not like" other black people as you can. But the bottomline is that blacks live under a failed culture with failed values. And it is up to black people like us to come up with new ideas in how to solve the problem. Most blacks are not infused with great philosophical thinking or strong knowledge of economics.



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Also, if you want to get more black people to buy into your message, why don't you go and post these messages on a forum for black people or on Twitter with the black Twitterers. You are only reaching maybe 10-15 of us and I would bet that most of us just at many of your comments.

I talk to black people all the time in many forums. do you not remember my post where I called most blacks marxist based on me taking what I've seen from Black Nationalist groups on facebook? I talk and debate these groups all of the time. But it's mentality of black people that may be out of my control to change. I can offer up solutions, but I may not be charismatic enough to inspire black people to take my message.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 10:17 AM
 
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Ok so why does it matter what the government considers you. Your rights come from the constitution, not the government. Your rights are natural rights, and should be defended. If there is any government institution trying to rob you of rights, the logical solution is to eradicate that government. Not try to increase the government and add more legislation.
It would greatly behoove you to look into the history of the Black Panther Party...and from sources other than white authors. Find out what happened when even the most local attempts were made by blacks to form a "defense" against white injustice and intrusion.


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There is no radical anti-government black leader. Almost all of them, from the mainstreamers like Jesse Jackson, to the psuedo intellects like Polight, to the sensible like Boyce Watkins. Everyone either endorse a movement that begs the government for rights, or is trying to lead a movement themselves.

While you're looking up the Black Panther Party, make note of the fates of those leaders or any other "radical anti-government black leader" of the 60s and 70s.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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Once the government stated that "all men are created equal," it is on the hook to create a society whereby this un-pragmatic concept can endure. Clearly, all men are not even biologically created equal. Some simply had access to more desirable genes or DNA. That is why athletics is so entertaining. Sports creates a society if you will, where unequal participants can compete governed by a set of rules that are modified as they need be.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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It would greatly behoove you to look into the history of the Black Panther Party...and from sources other than white authors. Find out what happened when even the most local attempts were made by blacks to form a "defense" against white injustice and intrusion.





While you're looking up the Black Panther Party, make note of the fates of those leaders or any other "radical anti-government black leader" of the 60s and 70s.
Black panthers was about "replacing government" not eliminating government. They were also extremely marxist and socialist, which does not coincide with true anarchy and anarcho-capitalism. The black community has never tried anything close to anarcho-capitalism, and I think it is about time they did.
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