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Old 05-27-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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It is a nice gesture, but the end result is not going to be desirable. There is no error, not everybody thinks the exact same way you do.
Like I said, hear the speech, listen to the commentary. Not everybody thinks the exact same way as you.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Like I said, hear the speech, listen to the commentary. Not everybody thinks the exact same way as you.
it looks like we at least agree "not everybody thinks the same way."

agree to disagree. No need to sound so combative.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:25 AM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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So - no groveling, no apologies, and yet you people will still believe, for the rest of your days, that it took place.

These headlines have actually turned into a fun game of "Spot the mined quote". You know that when a site like Breitbart has to go for two-word snippets, they got nuthin'. No wonder Breitbart died young - all that anger can't be good for the ticker.
Once the ODS train gets going, there's no stopping it.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:26 AM
 
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it looks like we at least agree "not everybody thinks the same way."

agree to disagree. No need to sound so combative.
Yes, you do seem combative, I agree. And as I mentioned, listen to commentary regarding his speech. I did, therefore, that is why I disagree with your post. If you listen to commentary, you would understand.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:32 AM
 
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You are correct he didn't exactly apologize, he also didn't hold them accountable for their own violence to other countries.
There's a time and place. Hiroshima is a very suitable place to ponder the pity of war, which is what happened. Those who decided to kick off World War II are long gone - some like to think they're answering to a higher authority. Hiroshima is not the spot to discuss whose great-grandfathers committed the worse crimes. (The Japanese, and everybody knows it.) Like Kohl & Mitterrand at Verdun.

Besides, I'd argue that Hiroshima marks an event that goes beyond World War II. If we disentangle from the nuclear symbolism, as a bombing attack, it was no worse than the firebombing of Tokyo. But the nuclear aspect of the attack is what sets it apart, and what makes it a site with historical relevance beyond the war that caused its destruction.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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Told everyone here he would apologize.
Props to you for owning up to that mistake.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Yes, you do seem combative, I agree. And as I mentioned, listen to commentary regarding his speech. I did, therefore, that is why I disagree with your post. If you listen to commentary, you would understand.
if you were 1/4 Japanese, you would understand why I feel the way I do.

Like I said, perception is reality. I am sure the visitation is a nice gesture (and I mentioned that earlier), but the result might not be desirable.

if you did not use the roll eye emoji, I wouldn't have called you "combative". I am not interested in fighting.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:41 AM
 
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if you were 1/4 Japanese, you would understand why I feel the way I do.

Like I said, perception is reality. I am sure the visitation is a nice gesture (and I mentioned that earlier), but the result might not be desirable.

if you did not use the roll eye emoji, I wouldn't have called you "combative". I am not interested in fighting.
There is no fighting. I think that's your perception, not reality.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:44 AM
 
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Obama didn't apologize, but he certainly didn't speak the truth and he is most defintely a hypocrite.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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There is no fighting. I think that's your perception, not reality.
Like I said, perception is reality. Even though president obama hasn't apologized, the world will still view it as an apology tour. Same with the Bitburg controversy (1985) opened a can of worms.
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