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Old 12-15-2020, 12:49 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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and he would never have had the guts to use the atomic bomb.

FDR could not handle the isolationists, which sharply spiked the death count of the Holocaust.

FDR lacked the guts to let the St. Louis dock and have the Jewish refugees enter US land.

We are all safer because FDR died and Truman admirably was the POTUS with the guts to make the hard decisions.
1. FDR commissioned the entirety of nuclear weapons creation

2. Truman was a Democrat and FDR's VP

in what world does any of your argument make sense on any level ???????

You would absolutely call Truman a socialist if he was a live today.
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Old 12-15-2020, 12:55 PM
 
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The bombs were dropped to stop the Russian invasion of China.
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Old 12-15-2020, 01:39 PM
 
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This is so incredibly wrong. He did everything he possible could to help England. Remember Lend Lease? But he couldn't get into the war because several neutrality laws had been passed that prevented him from doing so.

As far as him allowing the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor, there are a lot of very suspicious coincidences? Why where the US carriers not in PH when the Japanese attacked? Why was a radar warning of a major attack ignored? And by early 1942 the US had cracked the Japanese naval codes (which was why we were able to win the Battle of Midway.) Do you think they hadn't cracked the code early enough to know about the Pearl Harbor attack (which ties back to why the carriers weren't in port when the attack came.) If the USN had intercepted and defeated the attack, there may not have been the outrage necessary to get the US into a global war. With PH in flames and thousands dead, FDR got his declaration of way.
I answered above but I'll repeat. Lend Lease was a baby step, and much of the help was diverted from the UK to the USSR. There was a certain romantic attachment to helping them that I don't get.

As far as Pearl Harbor, we did not react to their similar attack on the Philippines. One of the reasons why Hawaii and Alaska were both admitted to the Union in 1957 and 1958 was to clarify the U.S. position towards them. I don't think that Japan understood Hawaii, which after all had been a territory for only a few years longer than the Philippines, would bring the U.S. in. I think t hey figured on making the Pacific a Japanese-controlled lake.
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Old 12-15-2020, 06:37 PM
 
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I answered above but I'll repeat. Lend Lease was a baby step, and much of the help was diverted from the UK to the USSR. There was a certain romantic attachment to helping them that I don't get.

As far as Pearl Harbor, we did not react to their similar attack on the Philippines. One of the reasons why Hawaii and Alaska were both admitted to the Union in 1957 and 1958 was to clarify the U.S. position towards them. I don't think that Japan understood Hawaii, which after all had been a territory for only a few years longer than the Philippines, would bring the U.S. in. I think t hey figured on making the Pacific a Japanese-controlled lake.
You might want to read more about the Japanese invasion of the Philippines. If you had, you would realize that the attack on Pearl Harbor, invasion of Guam, and invasion of the Phillipines all happened simultaneously. Pearl Harbor was 12/7/41, and the start of the Phillipines and Guam invasions were 12/8/41, but they were essentially at same time, since Guam and the Philippines are to the West of the International Date Line.
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Old 12-15-2020, 07:10 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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You might want to read more about the Japanese invasion of the Philippines. If you had, you would realize that the attack on Pearl Harbor, invasion of Guam, and invasion of the Phillipines all happened simultaneously. Pearl Harbor was 12/7/41, and the start of the Phillipines and Guam invasions were 12/8/41, but they were essentially at same time, since Guam and the Philippines are to the West of the International Date Line.
Good point!

Still my point stands. The others never got the protection of statehood.
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Old 12-15-2020, 07:17 PM
 
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I answered above but I'll repeat. Lend Lease was a baby step, and much of the help was diverted from the UK to the USSR. There was a certain romantic attachment to helping them that I don't get.

As far as Pearl Harbor, we did not react to their similar attack on the Philippines. One of the reasons why Hawaii and Alaska were both admitted to the Union in 1957 and 1958 was to clarify the U.S. position towards them. I don't think that Japan understood Hawaii, which after all had been a territory for only a few years longer than the Philippines, would bring the U.S. in. I think t hey figured on making the Pacific a Japanese-controlled lake.
Lend Lease was a baby step to what? Lend Lease supplied over $50B in aid to U.S. allies during the war. The UK got almost triple what went to the Soviet Union, but the UK was also making its own shipments to the USSR. There was nothing romantic about these shipments. Both the US and the UK felt that it was critical that Germany not defeat the USSR. The USSR was involved in the majority of the fighting against the Nazis from June of 1941 until D-Day.

I don't understand what you intended by the statement that, "As far as Pearl Harbor, we did not react to their similar attack on the Philippines." The Japanese invaded the Philippines 10 hours after the attack on Pearl Harbor. US forces in the Philippines fought the Japanese until the American and Filipino defenders on Corregidor surrendered on May 6, 1942.

Alaska and Hawaii became states in 1959. I don't think there was any need, " to clarify the U.S. position towards them." Japan's goal in striking Pearl Harbor was to buy time for Japan to consolidate its position in the Pacific, Dutch East Indies, and Southeast Asia. They were hoping to make a quick knock-out blow in order to negotiate a peace settlement with the US. The only thing the Japanese were concerned about was sinking as much of the US Pacific fleet as possible.
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Old 12-15-2020, 11:21 PM
 
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The bombs were dropped to stop the Russian invasion of China.
Nah. Assume the simpler explanation: The bombs were dropped because the US had invested a lot of manhours in making some very big bombs, and they were looking for return on the investment.

Had the war in Europe carried on into 1946, I have no doubt that Churchill would have insisted on a nuke for Berlin - and he would've gotten one.
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Old 12-15-2020, 11:57 PM
 
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Good point!

Still my point stands. The others never got the protection of statehood.
That was because Guam didn't have enough population to become a state, and the Filipinos had been requesting (and sometimes fighting for) independence since the US took the Spanish colony in 1898. In 1933, the US had passed the Hares-Hawes-Cutting Act, which would have led to independence for the Philippines after a 10 year transition period, but it was rejected on the Filipino side for requiring tariffs on Filipino exports to the US.

As a follow up, the American Congress passed the Tydings–McDuffie Act in 1934, which kept the 10 year period of transition for the Philippines to achieve full Independence from the US, but got rid of the tariffs. This was accepted by the Filipino legislature and a new Filipino constitution was drafted while the decade transition played out. However, that Independence wasn't achieved until 1946 because of the Japanese occupation during WW2. So, the Independence of the Philippines after WW2 was something that the US and the Philippines agreed to 12 years before it happened, and was overdue when it finally occurred. The Filipino government had fought and pressured the US for Independence, they did not want the "protection of statehood."
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Old 12-16-2020, 12:45 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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FDR is the definition of liberal
Yep, FDR and after him Truman and the Warren Court as well as both JFK and LBJ.
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Old 12-16-2020, 12:47 AM
 
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I answered above but I'll repeat. Lend Lease was a baby step, and much of the help was diverted from the UK to the USSR. There was a certain romantic attachment to helping them that I don't get.

As far as Pearl Harbor, we did not react to their similar attack on the Philippines. One of the reasons why Hawaii and Alaska were both admitted to the Union in 1957 and 1958 was to clarify the U.S. position towards them. I don't think that Japan understood Hawaii, which after all had been a territory for only a few years longer than the Philippines, would bring the U.S. in. I think t hey figured on making the Pacific a Japanese-controlled lake.
The Philippines probably had too large of a population for the US to successfully absorb them, no? Had they been absorbed, the US could have been something like 20% Filipino right now!
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