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Originally Posted by ambient Seriously? Liberals did "run America" throughout most of WW2, you dolt... The guy's name was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. By the time he died, the war in Europe was won and Japan was already in retreat. Most of the Manhattan Project work was done under Roosevelt as president.
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Originally Posted by eddie gein
The funny part of this is that Hedeki Tojo was the EPITOME of a conservative.
Has the definition of liberal changed or is the definition of liberal anti-Semite, pro-segregationist, who interned Japanese-Americans (over 99% of them in spite of no evidence against the individuals).
The definition of a liberal has obviously changed.
Liberals today don't care about the working man or honoring and defending this country -- whether from the illegal alien invasion, from home-grown criminals, or from foreign terrorists.
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Originally Posted by LoveToRow
The liberals of the WWII era would be aghast at today's American left. The Democrats of the 1940s and 1950s actually loved the country and had a sense of national pride. They are nothing like the spoiled, petulant, America-hating freak show that makes up today's Democrat Party.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by msgsing
Nice example of hyperbole in the extreme. All Democrats hate America?
Yes, they do hate America.
It couldn't be more obvious.
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
Why even bother with the premise of this thread? He somehow forgets that the libs WERE running the country.
He obviously meant if the liberals OF TODAY were running America....
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo
To this day, Pubs hate FDR for his liberal policies like social security and would torpedo them in a microsecond if they could.
So what?
Social Insecurity does not pay a good return on investment -- plus it is nothing but a bunch of IOUs. No one's social security investment is actually saved for that person and properly invested.
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Originally Posted by Tyster
Not a modern Liberal. FDR actually liked and respected the military. The same cannot be said of today's Liberals. Today, they aren't even really "liberals"... they're more like Bolsheviks. Most Leftists today detest the military and regularly mine US history for transgressions, including some of the things FDR did during WW2.
No sir... today's "Democrats" are a very different animal than FDR.
Yes, they are garbage.
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Originally Posted by Tyster
Having seen them urinate on the US a thousand times, I'd say the Progressive America haters outnumber their old school, Blue Dog America loving Democrats about a 100 to 1.
If America loving Democrats want the rest of the country to believe that Democrats love America they'd better get a leash on the loud mouth, Stalinist kooks running their party.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by DeadSpeak
If as you say dems hate America than why have the American loving pubs continued screwing over the American soldier? And BTW liberals are in the military as well as conservatives so that argument is pretty silly
Oh, please.
Liberals have no respect for anyone in the military who isn't a woman, transgender or gay.
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Originally Posted by greywar
Not to mention the vast majority who talk about how bad America is, etc....are conservatives.
We don't talk about how bad America is.
We talk about how bad liberals are.
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Originally Posted by d4g4m
If the current 'rules of engagement' were in effect during WW11, we would have lost the war.
So true.
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Originally Posted by dsjj251
FDR was and still is, the definition of liberalism in America.
No, he isn't.
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"respect" is a subjective term. Especially the way you are using it. Saying that our military spending is out of control is not in any way disrespectful, and yet that is the way you are using that term.
The military's budget was cut almost in half due to the sequester that Obama suggested, and our military has shrunk to the point that China and Russia are showing their muscle against us.
You libs would complain about the "military budget" if it was only one dollar.
You just don't like America having a military and being able to defend itself.
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Last but not least, There is nothing wrong with having the ability to point out the previous transgressions of your nation. Statements like that is exactly why I call BS on the term "PC", people only use it when it fits them.
According to you libs, only America and white people ever did anything that was wrong.
Good God I see stupid takes are alive and well in this thread. I'm liberal and so are the majority of my friends. None have pissed on the flag. Ever. To generalizel that this is the behavior of all liberals is laughable.
If we hated America why would we be just as passionate about the issues as conservatives? To claim we hate the military is completely idiotic. We just don't like unnecessary death and love our troops to the point where we would like them returned to their wife and children and not in a box.
Good God I see stupid takes are alive and well in this thread. I'm liberal and so are the majority of my friends. None have pissed on the flag. Ever. To generalizel that this is the behavior of all liberals is laughable.
If we hated America why would we be just as passionate about the issues as conservatives? To claim we hate the military is completely idiotic. We just don't like unnecessary death and love our troops to the point where we would like them returned to their wife and children and not in a box.
Alex Jones has poisoned the water of the most gullible idiots. It is really sad to see written out on this forum. Pathetic actually.
Good God I see stupid takes are alive and well in this thread. I'm liberal and so are the majority of my friends. None have pissed on the flag. Ever. To generalizel that this is the behavior of all liberals is laughable.
If we hated America why would we be just as passionate about the issues as conservatives? To claim we hate the military is completely idiotic. We just don't like unnecessary death and love our troops to the point where we would like them returned to their wife and children and not in a box.
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Originally Posted by thedirtypirate
Alex Jones has poisoned the water of the most gullible idiots. It is really sad to see written out on this forum. Pathetic actually.
Neither one of you is fooling me -- or, increasingly, anyone else.
The liberals of the WWII era would be aghast at today's American left. The Democrats of the 1940s and 1950s actually loved the country and had a sense of national pride. They are nothing like the spoiled, petulant, America-hating freak show that makes up today's Democrat Party.
The same could be said about Republicans. Eisenhower, Rockefeller, Scranton, even Nixon, and most all of the Eastern Establishment Republicans who ran the party in the 1940s through the 1960s could successfully exist in today's Republican Party. I doubt that even Ronald Reagan could be nominated for president in today's GOP.
One of the great historical debates to this day remains whether Harry Truman was justified in ordering the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki even though over a million Americans would have died in an invasion of Japan.
However, looking at the Bernouts and Hillary supporters and other liberals today, they wouldn't have chosen one of these choices (though if they had to they would probably put the lives of Japanese civilians over that of American soldiers.)
If liberals had run America during WW2, they wouldn't have demanded the unconditional surrender of Japan and Germany. Instead of choosing between the atomic bombings and a US invasion of Japan, they would have let General Tojo's remain in power and negotiated with them, probably after the Battle of Okinawa, or maybe even after Iwo Jima since Okinawa was Japanese territory before the WW2 invasions. This would have have the Imperial Japanese regime in power to potentially rebuild its military and threaten America again.
A liberal Democrat government (a Bernie Sanders/Obama/HIllary type administration) would likely have also not demanded Germany's unconditional surrender. They would have negotiated with Hitler after liberating France and the Netherlands. They may even have negotiated a deal after the Battle of the Bulge. In this scenario the Soviets alone would have defeated the Nazi regime and instead of East and West Germany and the Berlin airlift, etc, we would have ended up with all of Germany occupied by the Soviets and turned into a Soviet puppet communist regime, with Soviet forces on the French and Dutch borders, within striking distance of the UK.
The problem today is that we no longer utterly defeat our enemies. The Korean War ended with a peace treaty and the region remains tense today as a result. We could have bombed North Vietnam into defeat with limited U.S. casualties if we had firebombed Hanoi like Dresden and Leipzig in WW2. Most of the opposition to the Vietnam War wasn't out of concern for U.S. casualties. It was sympathy for the communist enemy as evidenced by how soldiers were treated by protesters upon returning to America.
We were also utterly devastating Saddam's army in Desert Storm when the West stopped the attack without pushing into Baghdad and installing a pro-Western government in Iraq. They were concerned about the enemy soldiers dying on the Highway of Death. If Saddam had been deposed then, there would have been no need for a US military presence in Saudi Arabia that would eventually motivate Osama bin Laden to attack us on 9-11. We also refuse to Israel completely defeat Hamas in Gaza and pressure them to negotiate cease fires with that Muslim terrorist group.
Japan and Germany were utterly defeated and surrendered conditionally. And they no longer cause us any problems today.
ermmm, they did. Google FDR.
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The guy's name was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. By the time he died, the war in Europe was won and Japan was already in retreat. Most of the Manhattan Project work was done under Roosevelt as president.
