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Old 06-15-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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Whatever happened to the saying "if you play with fire you might get burned" You don't blame the fire.
Or "If you do the crime you do the time?" You break the law you shouldn't get a pass.
An increase in the number of Social Justice Warriors.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:56 PM
 
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Because Obama hasn't actively been dividing people... the people have been dividing themselves and blaming Obama.
Trump is exploiting and aggravating those divisions for his own benefit.

Oh so you noticed people have been dividing themselves have ya? They have been doing it all throughout recorded history. That is why some of us try to form nations with like minded people and then apply tolerance, not import people from the rest of the world and become selectively intolerant.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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I will chime in on this. I despise the Confederate flag flying on government buildings. I despise it in general, but especially on government buildings.

I despise it because I want nothing to do the miserable legacy south of the Mason Dixon line. The only reason the North allied with them is because of a powerful common enemy. The idiots in the South could not see the writing on the wall about slavery? Now we in the North have to deal with their baggage to this day.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:06 PM
 
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"A More Perfect Union" -- Barack Obama, March 2008

But I have asserted a firm conviction – a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people – that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice is we are to continue on the path of a more perfect union.

For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances – for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs – to the larger aspirations of all Americans — the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives – by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny.

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In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination – and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past – are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds – by investing in our schools and our communities; by enforcing our civil rights laws and ensuring fairness in our criminal justice system; by providing this generation with ladders of opportunity that were unavailable for previous generations. It requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams; that investing in the health, welfare, and education of black and brown and white children will ultimately help all of America prosper.

In the end, then, what is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than what all the world’s great religions demand – that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us.

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For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle – as we did in the OJ trial – or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina – or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

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This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag. We want to talk about how to bring them home from a war that never should’ve been authorized and never should’ve been waged, and we want to talk about how we’ll show our patriotism by caring for them, and their families, and giving them the benefits they have earned.
The thing about this, and about how it's worded, he never says what he wants. Look at the last paragraph - he wants to TALK about such and such, but what did he want to happen in reality? The second to last paragraph - "we have a choice in this country". What was HIS choice? He never specified.

He has a conviction that working together we can move beyond racial wounds... great. Is he following his conviction? Doesn't seem like it...
...and, re the third to the last paragraph, does he really think that Islam follows that tenet of 'do unto others as we would have them do unto us'. From what I've seen, parts of the Qur'an don't follow that tenet
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:14 PM
 
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Because Obama hasn't actively been dividing people... the people have been dividing themselves and blaming Obama.
Give me a break. Re the incident that resulted in the 'Beer Summit', and in Ferguson, he jumped in on the opposite side of the police before knowing the facts.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:19 PM
 
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I despise it because I want nothing to do the miserable legacy south of the Mason Dixon line. The only reason the North allied with them is because of a powerful common enemy. The idiots in the South could not see the writing on the wall about slavery? Now we in the North have to deal with their baggage to this day.
Well, being Black, and being descended from slaves, I have every reason to despise the Confederate flag. I have no respect for the legacy that comes from those days below the Mason-Dixon line.

It isn't that the slave owners couldn't see the writing on the wall. It is the opposite, or the perceived opposite. They feared their wretched way of life was going the way of the dinosaurs.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Conservatives are calling Trump a racist too - not just libs.
No... RINOs (read: Blue Dog Democrats) are. Linda Graham for example... does ANYONE think he's a ... Conservative? Of course not.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Race relations have been set back 60 years under Obama's watch?
You're not asking a question. You have started a thread to bash and argue.

But I'll play.

We call Trump a racist because he has said racist things OR, at the very least, he has used the race in a way that brings up racist ideas.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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When Obama was elected I thought he was going to be a fine example for all black kids that if you study hard and work smart you too could be President but....

It does seem that he has divided the country down the race line. it is hard to see it any other way when the nightly news shows us riots and bad negative actions from groups such as Black Lives Matter. It is also hard to understand how someone can act out as a problem to society and when they get called on their actions it is the authorities that get the blame. Whatever happened to the saying "if you play with fire you might get burned" You don't blame the fire.
Or "If you do the crime you do the time?" You break the law you shouldn't get a pass.

Instead of bringing us all closer we now live in more fear and concern about what is next.

Trump has dared to tell it like it is and he is being dumped on for his honesty.
America has problems and fixing them is not going to be pretty or popular.
No, "he" (Obama) hasn't divided the country. The people who don't understand that minorities still want full and equal rights have divided the country down the race line.

Black Lives Matter still has a righteous cause. Unfortunately, they have chosen the wrong poster boys and used strategies that are plain stupid to address the needs they believe in.

Trump is not at all unlike demagogues of the past.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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Race relations have been set back 60 years under Obama's watch?
The accusations of "racism" won't stop. Why? Because when liberals cry "racism," they don't really mean racism. They mean one or more of the following ....

1) You disagree with me,
2) You are disagreeing with a minority,
3) You won't do what I want!,
4) I need more attention,
5) I need more money,

Leftist got blacks to vote with their skin and now want women to vote with their lady parts.

When will they vote with their brain?
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