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Well it is up for debate that the FBI dropped the ball on the terrorist that shot up the club in Orlando and now it is being argued if someone is on the No fly list that their name should also be put on a No Buy list when it comes to guns.
It makes sense to me that if someone is deemed too dangerous or risky to be allowed to fly in a airplane then that persons name should also be put on a No Buy list. Yes mistakes are made and people find themselves on the no fly list when they have done nothing wrong and I'm sure the same would happen with a no buy list so there needs to be a way that someone can clear their name in a timely fashion.
What I don't understand if someone is on the no fly list what are they doing walking around among us?
How far should the list go? If you are on the no fly list and your name gets put on the no buy list then what should happen if you are merely under investigation? Of course if you are under investigation by the FBI you probably should not be allowed to buy firearms.
On the flip side of the debate.
In the end do we really want to give the Gov. more rights over the citizens where suddenly your name could appear on a no buy list and it could take months or longer if ever to clear your name and if you are a gun collector what happens to your collection in the meantime?
I still say the best start to gun control is to enforce the laws we already have.
No such lists should be maintained. The authorities making the lists might be no better or worse than those they seek to restrict. Sorry we don't live in a perfect world and freedom should be the priority.
How is the no fly list determined and up dated? It is a slippery slope when these things are open ended and somewhat arbitrary. We could all be placed on this list without safe guards!
How is the no fly list determined and up dated? It is a slippery slope when these things are open ended and somewhat arbitrary. We could all be placed on this list without safe guards!
Then do something to improve the no fly list instead of just throwing up your hands and saying we can't do anything because it's s slippery slope. It doesn't have to be a slippery slope. Safe guards can be built in.
In short, no. And not because I am opposed to such lists. The problem is with HOW people get on these lists. There is no due process whatsoever. Ted Kennedy was once on the no fly list. and it took him 2 months to get off it. Imagine how hard it would be for the avg. person.
Bottom line, there needs to be criteria, not someone's opinion. And the person needs to be notified he or she is on such a list.
1. You could raise “reasonable suspicion” that you’re involved in terrorism. “Irrefutable evidence or concrete facts” are not required.
2. You could post something on Facebook or Twitter that raises “reasonable suspicion.”
3. Or somebody else could just think you’re a potential terror threat.
4. You could be a little terrorist-ish, at least according to someone.
5. Or you could just know someone terrorist-y, maybe.
6. And if you’re in a “category” of people determined to be a threat, your threat status could be “upgraded” at the snap of a finger.
7. Finally, you could just be unlucky.
if we do tht then lets just make up a "no rights" list, and just decide that no one on that list can exercise their constitutional rights even though they have not bee convicted of a crime. heck, lets just shred the constitution completely, set obama up as dear leader for life, and eliminate congress.
Then do something to improve the no fly list instead of just throwing up your hands and saying we can't do anything because it's s slippery slope. It doesn't have to be a slippery slope. Safe guards can be built in.
"Then do something"? Sorry I am not anyone who runs it any more than you are!
This keeps bring brought up and I am sorry, but you folks who bring it up really don't understand the No Fly list. Research it a bit. It is a mess and it is done without due process. Yes it sounds good right? When Obama says how can a person on the No Fly List buy a gun. But that no fly list is completely unconstitutional.
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