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Yes. Yes, as stated in my post above replying to a similar objection it's very inconvenient and it's a big process but nobody is forcing you (or me) to remain a U.S. citizen. I could start the process right now and calmly dissolve my ties and responsibilities to our government. Nobody is forcing me. Yes, there's certain rules you have to comply by when renouncing citizenship and leaving. And they make it a process but that's because they don't want people taking advantage of non-citizenship too easily to avoid paying their share of taxes.
That's the very definition of being under government control.
We're only free to leave if:
1) We don't have to seek the government's permission. We can just "self-identify" as no longer a US citizen, exactly like the Obama Admin says transgenders can "self-identify" in every public school in the country in order to use multiple occupancy opposite gender open locker/shower rooms.
2) Our assets aren't taxed upon making such a "self-identifying" statement.
Don't you understand House Rules? You're living in someone else's house, whether you like or dislike the rules, you play by them. That's not to say this isn't your country just as much as it is mine but there can only be one set of rules.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
That's the very definition of being under government control.
We're only free to leave if:
1) We don't have to seek the government's permission. We can just "self-identify" as no longer a US citizen, exactly like the Obama Admin says transgenders can "self-identify" in every public school in the country in order to use multiple occupancy opposite gender open locker/shower rooms.
2) Our assets aren't taxed upon making such a "self-identifying" statement.
Thanks OP. I'm now in a thread where I agree with InformedConsent on something. I'm either going to have drink my way out of this one or rethink my entire life philosophy.
Thanks OP. I'm now in a thread where I agree with InformedConsent on something. I'm either going to have drink my way out of this one or rethink my entire life philosophy.
This whole "self-identifying" with no permission or proof required whatsoever thing is going to have VERY far-reaching consequences that I'm sure the Obama Admin never even thought of...
No government can victimize or be tyrannical to a population that is free to leave at any time.
So stop your whining and lugubrious cries of tyranny and victimhood.
You're not forced to do anything. You can still vote and, if the result doesn't make you happy, you can leave. Nobody's stopping you. Nobody has chains on your feet. Nothing is forced on anyone-- including taxes--- in a country where one is free to leave.
And I am not just saying that to anti-big government conservatives, I say that to myself as a liberal.
If it ever gets too much to my dislike here, I'm free to leave. I don't have to pick up arms and try to forcibly overthrow a democratically elected government.
Grow up. Stop trying to be Paul Revere. You're not Nathan Hale. You eat Doritos and watch TV. You're not going to "Save 'Merica!" from its own government. You're ridiculous.
I will move to your neighborhood and make your life miserable. You won't have a problem with that because you are free to leave at any time. Your neighborhood isn't worth fighting for.
Oh I see you are enjoying your new home elsewhere. Good news, The DOT has been approve to go ahead with that road widening for the next 3 years. What's this? Your new home is along the right of way and needs to be demolished? Tragic, but that's okay. You won't have a problem with that because you are free to leave at any time. Your home isn't worth fighting for.
That's the very definition of being under government control.
We're only free to leave if:
1) We don't have to seek the government's permission. We can just "self-identify" as no longer a US citizen, exactly like the Obama Admin says transgenders can "self-identify" in every public school in the country in order to use multiple occupancy opposite gender open locker/shower rooms.
2) Our assets aren't taxed upon making such a "self-identifying" statement.
Of course, if you are living under a government, you will be required to comply with a certain degree of control and rules. But you're not forced to remain under the control of that government. That's the key.
You're really being intentionally difficult. You want to dictate the rules of the government without being in it. You want to legislate from your couch. You're not going to be happy unless you're the one calling the shots. This is not about rules to you as much as it's about who makes them.
The point is, while you are a U.S. citizen, those are the rules. But you can be free of the rules if you go through the process of renouncing your citizenship. It's very simple.
This whole "self-identifying" with no permission or proof required whatsoever thing is going to have VERY far-reaching consequences that I'm sure the Obama Admin never even thought of...
It will conveniently only apply to the government's pet groups.
I'd take death if I went through life thinking the sky was black and falling, fortunately it's blue and beautiful in my world.
Cool! Liberty is great, isn't it. When threats are all around, we are all free to handle it how we think will have the best outcome. I choose death, before bondage. Be that is me.
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As Americans, we have a right and a duty to complain and even overthrow the government if enough people feel that it is not serving our needs as we would like them to be served. It is the foundation of our government to do such.
We don't have to leave. We are free to choose to fight for what we want.
Of course, if you are living under a government, you will be required to comply with a certain degree of control and rules. But you're not forced to remain under the control of that government. That's the key.
When US citizens are NOT free to leave without getting the government's approval and permission, they ARE under the government's control. No US citizen is actually free to leave. The government permits some to do so only if specific requirements are met.
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