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Old 06-27-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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Complications from abortions are rare
Complications at surgical centers are rare, as well. But it's women who are being treated as 2nd class citizens in regards to their health.
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about the same frequency as with colonoscopies. Many colonoscopies are performed in outpatient clinics or doctor's offices. Where is your concern for all of the colonoscopy patients being treated as second class citizens?
Doctors performing colonoscopies, or the physician in charge of the facility at the time, have hospital admitting privileges. Similarly, such facilities in which onsite procedures are performed have adequate access for emergency access.

Again, what this ruling does is establish that women are 2nd class citizens in regards to their access to health care procedures.

And, again, it's their Constitutional right to accept that inferior status as legitimate.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:48 AM
 
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This ruling is concerning because what it essentially says is that women are 2nd class citizens. Complications from abortions include but are not limited to uncontrollable hemorrhage, perforated bladder, bowel, or uterus, systemic shock, etc. Surgical centers are required to have adequate access to get patients out and to an ambulance as quickly as possible, and at a minimum... the physician in charge at the particular time of the procedure has to have admitting privileges at a local hospital.

That said, it is a Constitutional right for women to take risks with their own health. That's exactly what this ruling does: preserves the right of women to agree to be treated as 2nd class citizens in regards to their health.
Good attempt at a redirect, but admitting privileges for the abortion provider are irrelevant. If a woman shows up in an ambulance hemorrhaging, she will be assessed and treated by emergency department staff. The purpose of this legislation was to put a strangle-hold on abortion providers and drive them out of business. That's all this was, and good for SCOTUS for seeing through the nonsense.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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Nah, the ultimate ignorance is believing the government should be involved in a woman's personal decision.
Too true and and isn't it interesting that it's usually the states with the most people crying about gummint interference in other aspects of their lives?
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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Oh give me a break. I am pro-choice , but I have no tolerance for moronic arguments . They think they are protecting the rights of another human, unborn girls included. I think they are wrong, but it has nothing to do with second class citizens. They simply think the child is a citizen.
What does that have to do with requiring one set of standards for a surgical center, but allowing inferior standards at abortion clinics?

Absolutely nothing.

Again, what this ruling does is establish that women are 2nd class citizens in regards to their access to health care procedures.

And, again, it's women's Constitutional right to accept that inferior status as legitimate.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:57 AM
 
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Good attempt at a redirect, but admitting privileges for the abortion provider are irrelevant. If a woman shows up in an ambulance hemorrhaging, she will be assessed and treated by emergency department staff.
And if there's no way to get the woman with an uncontrollable hemorrhage or perforated bladder, bowel, uterus, etc., out of the abortion clinic because an ambulance stretcher doesn't fit through the doorways or hallways of the premises? Then what?

Like I said... what this ruling does is establish that women are 2nd class citizens in regards to their access to health care procedures.

And, again, it's women's Constitutional right to accept that inferior status as legitimate.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:59 AM
 
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Okay, first of all, not all abortions are surgical, yet all abortion providers were subject to the regulation. Second of all, hospitals routinely turn down admitting privileges to abortion providers for a variety of political and business reasons. (I experienced this situation first hand, which I have recounted many times on this forum.) The bottom line is that admitting privileges are irrelevant in an emergency. This is true for complications of colonoscopy, oral surgery, vasectomy, etc.
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:02 AM
 
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Okay, first of all, not all abortions are surgical, yet all abortion providers were subject to the regulation.
Actually, they are all invasive procedures which do in fact entail medical risk.

What this ruling does is establish that women are 2nd class citizens in regards to their access to health care procedures.

And, again, it's women's Constitutional right to accept that inferior status as legitimate.
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:03 AM
 
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[quote=DC at the Ridge;44560835] Your definition of "children" doesn't match the definition most people use.

[b] Women are intelligent, responsible and moral. They are able to weigh the risks and costs of an unwanted pregnancy in their own lives much better than you.[/[quote]

Yeah, too bad all those intelligent, responsible and moral women aren't better at being intelligent responsible and moral enough to make that decision BEFORE they get pregnant instead of after huh?
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:03 AM
 
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And if there's no way to get the woman with an uncontrollable hemorrhage or perforated bladder, bowel, uterus, etc., out of the abortion clinic because an ambulance stretcher doesn't fit through the doorways or hallways of the premises? Then what?

Like I said... what this ruling does is establish that women are 2nd class citizens in regards to their access to health care procedures.

And, again, it's women's Constitutional right to accept that inferior status as legitimate.
How do ambulance stretchers get people out of houses? My house doesn't have the same hall and door width as a surgical center, and yet the stretcher fit easily down the hall to the bedroom to get my father out and into the ambulance.
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:06 AM
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Just flat out wrong, and that's been settled law for more than 40 years and won't be changing.
Because Row vs. Wade would not consider the child being aborted as being human as it certainly was. This shows why it is so important to put logical thinking people on the Supreme Court. Row vs. Wade was a wrong decision and will always be a wrong decision but the court does not have to keep being wrong forever. What does 40 years have to do with rights of the aborted babies? Have you ever thought there could be a curse on America from all those babies crying out from the grave for justice? I think that is very possible.
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