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Old 06-30-2016, 08:46 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Banning human births = fewer people = fewer guns


Logically we should ban births based on this actual fact.
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:50 AM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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Your theory might work if we didn't have CNC machines, Bridgeports, Lathes, Welders, 3d printing etc. Face it, the ban ship has sailed 50+ years ago. Hell, if you drive a modern vehicle, chances are you have several "projectile launchers" riding around with you. It's called a seat belt pre-tensioner and it even has the shape of a gun. So again, a ban is nothing more than a feel good Band-Aid. Nothing more.
You do remember a incident in a high school in Columbine right ? That happened while there was a so called "assault weapon" ban....
How could it just be a feel good band aid if in the case of other kinds of weapons, it still works? People don't go for and don't use, the weapons that are more regulated. They go for and use the one that are less regulated.

That alone should make it crystal clear to you.
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:52 AM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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Banning human births = fewer people = fewer guns


Logically we should ban births based on this actual fact.
Obviously we can't ban humans but we can do the next best thing.
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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So using your points, at the very least, you're telling me, we've regulated and banned all the weapons that are less ineffective at killing people, and left the best ones for killing more available to the public?

So in other words, were regulating all the wrong weapons. And allowing access to criminals to the perfect weaponry for the job.

So a machine gun can, in other words, keep swat teams with guns at bay but terrorists and mass killers aren't interested in getting their hands on them? They're not interested in any guns that can switch from semi to fully automatic? No interest in an M16 at all? It's not the regulation, it's just they have no interest in a weapon that can serve a dual purpose?


When the military uses machine guns in combat, they are supported by teams of people behind them, carrying and supplying ammo.
They also have people shooting back at them, so they need the high rate of fire to suppress enemy fire.

When you restrict people from carrying in public and create gun free zones, you are basically providing a fish in a barrel situation for terrorists and nut cases.

If a shooter has litttle worry about anyone shooting back at them, they don't need machine guns. To use the Orlando scenario as an example, the shooter could have done just as much damage in that enclosed space with limited exits if he had used a shotgun or even a revolver with speed loaders.....Hell in that situation, he probably could have killed a dozen people at least with a single shot 22.

Gun control is a hardware based solution to a software based problem.
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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There's no "and".

That's all I wanted to hear.

My work is done. This house is cleaaar. :
And you are fine with being murdered by every other kind of violence as long as you don't shot?

Burned alive, blew into pieces, drove off a cliff, etc. etc. etc...

In case you don't know, the weapon of choice of the mass murders is explosives not guns.
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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How could it just be a feel good band aid if in the case of other kinds of weapons, it still works? People don't go for and don't use, the weapons that are more regulated. They go for and use the one that are less regulated.

That alone should make it crystal clear to you.
There is this thing called practicality, which you may not be familiar.
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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When the military uses machine guns in combat, they are supported by teams of people behind them, carrying and supplying ammo.
They also have people shooting back at them, so they need the high rate of fire to suppress enemy fire.

When you restrict people from carrying in public and create gun free zones, you are basically providing a fish in a barrel situation for terrorists and nut cases.

If a shooter has litttle worry about anyone shooting back at them, they don't need machine guns. To use the Orlando scenario as an example, the shooter could have done just as much damage in that enclosed space with limited exits if he had used a shotgun or even a revolver with speed loaders.....Hell in that situation, he probably could have killed a dozen people at least with a single shot 22.

Gun control is a hardware based solution to a software based problem.

The liberal style gun control is like banning pens to prevent people from writing bad checks.
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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How could it just be a feel good band aid if in the case of other kinds of weapons, it still works? People don't go for and don't use, the weapons that are more regulated. They go for and use the one that are less regulated.

That alone should make it crystal clear to you.

I believe I asked you this before. If banning firearms worked , why is the UK banning knives ? Just answer me that ? It sounds like you are more focused on the firearms then the violence.


And now that being said, who is going to protect myself and my family ? You? Who ? When someone is kicking in the door to my house what then ? Is the cell phone mightier than the shotgun ?
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:57 AM
 
Location: louisville
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How could it just be a feel good band aid if in the case of other kinds of weapons, it still works? People don't go for and don't use, the weapons that are more regulated. They go for and use the one that are less regulated.

That alone should make it crystal clear to you.
It's not more regulated per se, it's availability. People that have them aren't selling them.... Not for anything most can afford.

You think you laid a golden egg of wisdom but this is not a novel idea.
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:58 AM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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There are 270 million guns in America.

So unless you plan on confiscation of those 270 million weapons (something the gun grabbers keep saying they don't want) increased regulations or bans will have very little effect on a criminals ability to obtain a weapon.

On top of that, the most commonly used type of gun used by criminals are cheap "Saturday night special" type of handguns, something that you never hear anti gun activists railing against because it doesn't grab the headlines like going after "assault weapons".
And why are there 270 million guns and growing? Because of all this time of being less regulated than other types of gun that are less available.

If you never ban or more regulate them, the supply will never have time to dry up, break down, age and slowly fall in number.

So the very reluctance to increased gun regulation or banning is the very reason there is a massive supply today. And the only way to start dwindling down that supply is increased regulation or banning in the case of assault rifles.
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