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Old 07-12-2016, 07:26 AM
 
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I can't stand the term "gun show loophole". It's not a loophole! It's how the law is written!

When you work for a large company, you need to fill out tons of tax paperwork and various other forms. If you paint your neighbor's fence, none of that is necessary. It's not a loophole, it's how the law is written.


Exactly. The media portrays it like people found a way to skirt the law. Another B.S. label that the sheeple jump on , just like "assault rifles" and "high capacity mags"
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Old 07-12-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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Maybe they would quit killing each other?
Like someone once said "guns don't kill people, people kill people".

Fourth teen arrested in hammer death of Bosnian man in St. Louis | Law and order | stltoday.com

A man murdered by someone with a hammer, not a gun. Taken guns away won't stop the murders.

168 people killed by Tim McVeigh, with a fertilizer bomb. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

This attack. 87 dead from arson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire
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Old 07-12-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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Like someone once said "guns don't kill people, people kill people".

Fourth teen arrested in hammer death of Bosnian man in St. Louis | Law and order | stltoday.com

A man murdered by someone with a hammer, not a gun. Taken guns away won't stop the murders.
Oh, but it will stop gun murders.


And if we ignore that the US leads the developed world in knife and bludgeon murders, that will make us all walk the streets easier of mind.
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:01 AM
 
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Oh, but it will stop gun murders.


And if we ignore that the US leads the developed world in knife and bludgeon murders, that will make us all walk the streets easier of mind.
I posted more.

168 people killed by Tim McVeigh, with a fertilizer bomb. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

This attack. 87 dead from arson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire


Fertilizer bomb and fire.

Yes, we do lead the developed world in murders where guns weren't used. Who will confront that?
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:11 AM
 
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Maybe they would quit killing each other?
One more post. If more than half of murders in the USA are committed by Blacks, but only 15% of Blacks legally own guns, then the issue isn't guns.
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:14 AM
 
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Some facts:

The percent of US households owning guns decreased from from 50% in the 1970s to around 31% in 2014, with only 22% of individual adults actually owning these guns today. In 1970 there were about 150 million guns in the US. Now there are around 300 million. This means that the gun owning minority has many more guns per person today than they did in 1970.

It is reasonable to assume that radical gun rights activists are an even smaller subset of that 22%. I believe that many of that 22% are just like me - they have a shotgun or a .22 rifle in the closet that they used once upon a time to hunt squirrels or rabbits. Shells are around here somewhere, lol.

What's the point? Even though the NRA and gun activists are loud and demonstrative, realize that they are a minority. They may only represent 15% of the adult population, but they are a gold mine to the firearms industry. In the USA of 2016, any dollar is a good dollar - just ask the NRA and their lobbyists and the legislators they have purchased.

Some more puzzling facts about Americans, regarding gun control laws:

85% are in favor of background checks at gun shows
79% favor laws to prevent mentally ill from buying guns
70% favor a Federal database to track guns
57% favor a ban on assault weapons

Just some things to ponder.

Sources: Pew Research Center; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; Cato Institute; National Research Council among others.
Ponder crime rates falling each year, with a corresponding rise in gun purchases.
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:16 AM
 
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One more post. If more than half of murders in the USA are committed by Blacks, but only 15% of Blacks legally own guns, then the issue isn't guns.
...and obviously making it illegal to shoot people with gun, and against the law to illegally own or posses a gun, is not working either.
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:16 AM
 
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One more post. If more than half of murders in the USA are committed by Blacks, but only 15% of Blacks legally own guns, then the issue isn't guns.

Seems relatively easy to fathom...unfortunately to think it makes one a racist by today's standards.
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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Seems relatively easy to fathom...unfortunately to think it makes one a racist by today's standards.
Communities in Texas, with either a Black majority or plurality, where gun laws are quite lax.

//www.city-data.com/city/DeSoto-Texas.html

//www.city-data.com/city/Missouri-City-Texas.html

//www.city-data.com/city/Cedar-Hill-Texas.html

Large Black middle class in these areas. Not very violent areas at all.

Why is the violence issue far more prevalent in poor Black areas, and not so much in areas with Blacks are largely middle class?
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:40 AM
 
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Communities in Texas, with either a Black majority or plurality, where gun laws are quite lax.

//www.city-data.com/city/DeSoto-Texas.html

//www.city-data.com/city/Missouri-City-Texas.html

//www.city-data.com/city/Cedar-Hill-Texas.html

Large Black middle class in these areas. Not very violent areas at all.

Why is the violence issue far more prevalent in poor Black areas, and not so much in areas with Blacks are largely middle class?



Although poverty and gang issues are a part of it, there is a far larger underlying problem. And it isn't blacks, but a small segment of them.


There are two counties in my state. One is among the poorest in the state, the other is not. One is rural , one is urban. One ranks 13th (out of 83) in firearms ownership , the other 45th.
Yet one is among the safest , the other not so. Can you guess which is which ?



Bag of chips
Man shot over potato chips in Detroit


Kool aid , and this one ended up killing a 2 year old
Two Shot in Detroit after Argument Over Kool-Aid In Detroit | News One


This one was over Facebook posts, and killed a 3 year old
Facebook Fight Led To Fatal Shooting Of 3-Year-Old Amiracle Williams, Detroit Police Say


Okay, maybe the poor out of work individuals needed footwear... yeah right.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/t...thwest-Detroit


This one was a retaliation shooting for another shooting that happened earlier, another child killed.
Family of 6-month-old killed in drive-by calls it 'retaliation' - Story | WJBK


Another retaliation shooting...
Man wanted for questioning in Detroit gas station shooting


Just another day in the hood....
3 Suspects At Large After Man Shot In Buttocks In Inkster Drive-By « CBS Detroit


Okay, maybe this one could be gang related...
16-Year-Old Boy Shot While Walking Down Mack Avenue In Detroit « CBS Detroit



Not seeing a lot of these shootings over pampers and baby formula. Not seeing too many of these shootings over drug money or gang affiliation either. Again , there is a much deeper problem and it isn't firearms.
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