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I just want to make sure I understand the intent of this thread. OP, is your argument that the door-to-door confiscation of weapons is equivalent to a routine traffic stop in terms of violation of civil liberties?
It didn't take long for the usual racists to start spouting off "if they'd been white..." yeah right, so predictable. Keep it up, your strategy is working great so far, isn't it? Not complying is working out in a spectacular fashion.
But they won't. They believe it's their right to challenge unlawful acts from LE that violate their basic rights. They believe that they don't need to comply, bow their heads, kowtow to authority figures just to make those agents feel comfortable.
But they damn sure believe YOU should bc you don't deserve those rights. You don't deserve that freedom to defend yourself and demand fair and equal treatment. That type of America is for them, not you.
How else do you explain their vigilance against tyranny and oppressive govt, yet circling the wagons around cops who shoot children, unarmed citizens, and the elderly for not doing exactly what they were told? Isn't that last bit a hallmark of tyranny -- authorities demanding obedience or death?
It's okay. They know what their intention is. It isn't to help you survive the next encounter. It isn't to build up relations between law enforcement and the communities they serve. It's too remind you that the America you want is not for you to enjoy and prosper. It's for them. Your America isn't about freedom, justice, equality. Those things are for them. You just make sure you do what you're told and comply, if you want to survive.
I'm not a member of any "just comply" crowd, however I am curious;
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But they damn sure believe YOU should bc you don't deserve those rights.
I just want to make sure I understand the intent of this thread. OP, is your argument that the door-to-door confiscation of weapons is equivalent to a routine traffic stop in terms of violation of civil liberties?
It can be. I also see no point in trying to determine the level of wrongness in the violation of ones civil rights.
It can be. I also see no point in trying to determine the level of wrongness in the violation of ones civil rights.
So are all traffic stops civil rights violations? I agree that police abuse the traffic stop in order to investigate people for other unstated reasons, but is your opinion that there are no circumstances where a stop is warranted?
I agree that police abuse the traffic stop in order to investigate people for other unstated reasons, but is your opinion that there are no circumstances where a stop is warranted?
Then what are you and the OP comparing if not gun confiscation and routine interactions with police? Because the "just comply" people are talking about routine interactions with police.
Then what are you and the OP comparing if not gun confiscation and routine interactions with police? Because the "just comply" people are talking about routine interactions with police.
No, the argument is that just because a person doesn't comply isn't a reason to just shoot them.
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