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View Poll Results: Was Obama born in America?
Yes 164 63.08%
No 96 36.92%
Voters: 260. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-12-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Delahanty View Post
Yes. And I hope Hillary Clinton, who started the whole birther movement, thinks so, too.
neither clinton or her campaign ever did anything to promote birtherism. some of her supporters, the PUMAs, were among the early birthers but they were not the first nor were they connected to clinton or her campaign.

Barackryphal: The Secret Origin of the Birthers

Barackryphal: Secret Origin, Part 2

 
Old 07-12-2016, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Ohio, USA
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Hawaii is a US state, so yes.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 10:04 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Obamas presidency is coming to an end so this is the time to check who still thinks he was not born in America.

This is not a public poll so you can choose what you really think ( think the silent majority). This is like how some people don't want to admit in public that they are Trump supporters.
His bio on his book jacket for 15 years said Kenya.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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His bio on his book jacket for 15 years said Kenya.
wrong. it was not the bio on his book jacket.

the bio was in a trade-pamphlet promoting the literary agency. it was written by mariam goderich who has claimed responsibility for the error. the same pamphlet also got wrong the year tip o'neil became speaker of the house in his bio.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 01:46 PM
 
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there was no need. he never officially changed his name from obama to soetoro in the first place.
He did according to Indonesian school records.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 01:59 PM
 
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He did according to Indonesian school records.
no, we have evidence that an adult ( most likely lolo soetoro ) registered him in school at the age of 6 as soetoro. it's a pretty big leap to believe that registration meant obama had legally changed his name.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 02:07 PM
 
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And he's indirectly named (as is his sister Maya) as Lolo Soetoro's child on the Soetoro divorce decree.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 08:46 PM
 
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I've explained this before, but merely being "American" isn't enough. The requirement is "natural born citizen," and here's why...

The problem is that being born outside the U.S. in a country with birthright citizenship, and/or to a foreign citizen parent (regardless of birth location, U.S. or abroad) whose country of nationality has jus sanguinis (right of blood) citizenship laws regardless of place of birth, automatically confers conflicting citizenship and allegiance, which sets up a host of other problems.
This was a very interesting, educational, and well-written post. I thank you for it.

The problem is, there is no legal precedent whatsoever for your conclusion.
 
Old 07-13-2016, 03:19 AM
 
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This was a very interesting, educational, and well-written post. I thank you for it.

The problem is, there is no legal precedent whatsoever for your conclusion.
Yes, there is. After the grandfather clause presidents at the beginning of US history, and Chester Arthur (he hid his father's status as a foreigner at the time of his birth), none of the US presidents were born dual citizens until Obama.
 
Old 07-13-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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poll is currently at
93: yes
61: no

it's stayed pretty consistent at a 60/40 split.
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