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Old 07-19-2016, 04:57 AM
 
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In ancient times (& even in more modern times) those enslaved were the result of being conquered. That is, the institution of slavery, (its implementation), was based on those who were conquered became slaves to the conquerers. It wasn't racially based or written into founding documents or Constitution.

In American History, the kidnapped became slaves & the conquering of those enslaved came after they were enslaved.

If there are any doubts the conquering of African descendants took place after, I suggest reading the Constitution of the Confederate States of America.

Even after the American Civil War (some present day people call it Northern Aggression & some call it the War to Preserve Slavery). Some folks from the former Confederate States continued their efforts of conquering a people based on their Country of origin by resisting the laws of their new Country, the United States of America. Sometimes it seems as if some still consider themselves Confederate-Americans. Bizarre.

Some folks resisted the outcomes & natural consequences of the American Civil War therefore Jim Crow laws were created to follow the 1800–1866 Black Codes, which had previously restricted the civil rights & civil liberties of African Americans.

During the Reconstruction period of 1865–1877, federal law provided civil rights protection in the United States for freedmen, African Americans who had formerly been slaves, & former free blacks.

Some folks resisted the Civil Rights Act of 1875's guarantee that everyone, regardless of race, color, or previous condition of servitude, was entitled to the same treatment in public accommodations, such as inns, public transportation, theaters, & other places of recreation.

Segregation, Jim Crow laws & 'separate but equal' dogma were about maintaining or attempting to recover rights based on white supremacy that were lost when the Confederate States of America lost the American Civil War.

The Civil Rights of the 50s & 60s came (1950 & 60s) nearly 100 years after the Civil Rights Act of 1875!

There are some still, in the present day who seemingly refuse to accept the history, & remain uninterested in reconciling the discrepancies in our founding principles, this still remains problematic for all Americans.
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:00 AM
 
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Oh boy how much history do we want to correct there?
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:02 AM
 
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Slavery and Jim Crow don't exist now.

The only legal discrimination going on in this country right now is discrimination against whites and males in the form of racial preferences for non-whites and gender preferences for women.

If that isn't enough to satisfy non-whites (including recent immigrants who were never discriminated against here) and women, I suggest they leave.

And stay away long enough for us to miss them.

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Old 07-19-2016, 05:06 AM
 
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The media is to blame. they want to sell advertising so they will create sensationalism and sell it, prepackaged.

the narrative that they spin has nothing to do with actual life, their 'reporting' doesn't mimic real life.
Part of the problem perhaps. Although media 'nostalgia'?

That type of media is gone along with many of our jobs & for many of the same reasons.

Identifying media as part of the problem may help in defining the circumstances in which we find ourselves.
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:45 AM
 
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I would be bitter, too, if I got racial preferences (affirmative action) and welfare.
Doing the above is condescending.
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:48 AM
 
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Slavery and Jim Crow don't exist now.
Yes, but those philosophies shaped the outcome for many American blacks. And you should be able to acknowledge that. That is why newly arrived blacks that come from Africa and the Caribbean often outperform American Blacks.
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:53 AM
 
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In ancient times (& even in more modern times) those enslaved were the result of being conquered. That is, the institution of slavery, (its implementation), was based on those who were conquered became slaves to the conquerers. It wasn't racially based or written into founding documents or Constitution.

In American History, the kidnapped became slaves & the conquering of those enslaved came after they were enslaved.

If there are any doubts the conquering of African descendants took place after, I suggest reading the Constitution of the Confederate States of America.

Even after the American Civil War (some present day people call it Northern Aggression & some call it the War to Preserve Slavery). Some folks from the former Confederate States continued their efforts of conquering a people based on their Country of origin by resisting the laws of their new Country, the United States of America. Sometimes it seems as if some still consider themselves Confederate-Americans. Bizarre.

Some folks resisted the outcomes & natural consequences of the American Civil War therefore Jim Crow laws were created to follow the 1800–1866 Black Codes, which had previously restricted the civil rights & civil liberties of African Americans.

During the Reconstruction period of 1865–1877, federal law provided civil rights protection in the United States for freedmen, African Americans who had formerly been slaves, & former free blacks.

Some folks resisted the Civil Rights Act of 1875's guarantee that everyone, regardless of race, color, or previous condition of servitude, was entitled to the same treatment in public accommodations, such as inns, public transportation, theaters, & other places of recreation.

Segregation, Jim Crow laws & 'separate but equal' dogma were about maintaining or attempting to recover rights based on white supremacy that were lost when the Confederate States of America lost the American Civil War.

The Civil Rights of the 50s & 60s came (1950 & 60s) nearly 100 years after the Civil Rights Act of 1875!

There are some still, in the present day who seemingly refuse to accept the history, & remain uninterested in reconciling the discrepancies in our founding principles, this still remains problematic for all Americans.
Great post! The part in bold is so true. Just read the posts of the right wing folks here. I think it is mostly ignorance. Or perhaps their thought process is shaped by the racism practiced by their ancestors.
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:53 AM
 
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Slavery and Jim Crow don't exist now.

The only legal discrimination going on in this country right now is discrimination against whites and males in the form of racial preferences for non-whites and gender preferences for women.

If that isn't enough to satisfy non-whites (including recent immigrants who were never discriminated against here) and women, I suggest they leave.

And stay away long enough for us to miss them.

Yep sure, we're supposed to forget hundreds of years of race-based brutality because someone waved a magic wand a few years back and that makes us all equal.
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Old 07-19-2016, 06:02 AM
 
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The way I see it, those on the far left with a racist agenda seek to keep minorities oppressed to proliferate their power. The far left controls academia, the media, and inner cities. If you are in the hopelessness of in the inner cities with generations of unemployment (look at all those abandoned factories in inner cities which over regulation closed decades ago) and all you hear and see on your facebook newsfeed and on television and by the President of the USA is "hey white racist cops want to just kill you, white republicans hate you and want to keep you down and look at all the handouts the dems can give you" naturally you are going to side with the "party that cares" over and over again come election time and fail to see the bigger picture that those in power just want to use you to stay in power and really change nothing about the environment you are in.

I agree with President Obama. There is systemic racism in the entire justice system. The liberal courts, the liberal law makers that you voted for are part of the problem.

Take Eric Garner for instance. NYC's far left council voted to keep cigarettes expensive through taxation to "save your life". Too bad it created a niche market for lower socioeconomic folk to sell "loosies". So since selling loosies is against the law, Eric Garner had to pay for breaking the law with his life. So this is just one small example of many "well-intention" laws that actually hurt those the far left likes to label as "most vulnerable". Never support a law you would be willing to enforce through lethal means. After all, cops only enforce the law. Lawmakers are the ones who make them. The problem with our race issues starts there and has a (D) next to it. With two terms of the first "black" President, what has he done for minorities? Really, is your life any better under Obama than when Bush was President? Will you notice any difference when Hillary or Trump is President. Probably not.
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Old 07-19-2016, 06:03 AM
 
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Slavery went on from 1619 to 1865
Jim Crow 1877-1965

Blacks have only experience some sense of freedom for a bit more than 50 years.

Most black Americans are descendant of slaves.

It is not the same thing to be the son of a slave than to be the son of a merchant, a farm owner, a businessman, a doctor, a lawyer, a police officer, a school teacher, etc, etc.

Blacks started at ZERO and had ZERO education or training. They had no one to look up to as the families were broken apart.

Most people of European heritage like myself can look back for 500-1000 years of successful heritage where families were together and values were passed down. Blacks could not pass anything down because there was no family.

Oppression from 1619 until 1965 created a generation of people that was overtly sensitive to perceived racism. They have lived in stress for hundreds of years and that explains the hypersensitivity to cops and authority.
So what is your solution other posting the same annoying thread over and over, Mr. LIberal White Boy?

Make white people feel guilty? Been there done that.

Refuse to hold Black thugs accountable for their actions? Been there done that.

Scream that "capitalism" is a failure? Been there done that.

Tell Black people that the "White Man" is holding them down? Been there done that.

Tell Black people that they are hopeless because they don't have the same lineage is YOU???
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