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Old 08-20-2016, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Now that the Republican Party has been taken over by a bunch of wild eyed bomb throwing radicals, it left the Democrats as the only true conservatives in American politics.

How Democrats Became The Conservative Party: Hillary Clinton Wants to Maintain The Status Quo, While Trump Wants To Tear It Apart - The Atlantic
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Old 08-20-2016, 12:49 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Now that the Republican Party has been taken over by a bunch of wild eyed bomb throwing radicals, it left the Democrats as the only true conservatives in American politics.

How Democrats Became The Conservative Party: Hillary Clinton Wants to Maintain The Status Quo, While Trump Wants To Tear It Apart - The Atlantic

LOL!!! That is RICH


Constitutionalist, are rather extreme, as is the Constitution to the Establishment.
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Old 08-20-2016, 02:47 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Now that the Republican Party has been taken over by a bunch of wild eyed bomb throwing radicals, it left the Democrats as the only true conservatives in American politics.

How Democrats Became The Conservative Party: Hillary Clinton Wants to Maintain The Status Quo, While Trump Wants To Tear It Apart - The Atlantic
Neither party is conservative. Both Republicans and Democrats call for more government intervention in just about everything. A true conservative would not only preach for a reduction of taxes & government involvement, but actually be true to his word. I have seen no Presidential candidate on either side, nor any actual President in many years who has actually reduced the size of the government and make any substantial spending cuts. G.W. Bush wiped out the surplus & created trillions of dollars in debt, and Obama has continued this trend even more so. Hillary and Donald offer no hope for a return to conservatism. To say that Democrats are now the true conservatives is completely bogus. Libertarians and perhaps the Constitutionalists are the only real conservatives when it comes to fiscal matters.
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Old 08-20-2016, 02:57 PM
 
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I was hoping to find something funny to lighten up my day. Glad I found this thread.
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Old 08-20-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: PHX -> ATL
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Neither party is conservative. Both Republicans and Democrats call for more government intervention in just about everything. A true conservative would not only preach for a reduction of taxes & government involvement, but actually be true to his word. I have seen no Presidential candidate on either side, nor any actual President in many years who has actually reduced the size of the government and make any substantial spending cuts. G.W. Bush wiped out the surplus & created trillions of dollars in debt, and Obama has continued this trend even more so. Hillary and Donald offer no hope for a return to conservatism. To say that Democrats are now the true conservatives is completely bogus. Libertarians and perhaps the Constitutionalists are the only real conservatives when it comes to fiscal matters.
Technically a definition of conservative would be to keep things the way they are. A reduction of taxes and government as a whole is technically a change, therefore not being a conservative.

Now generally Republicans are what, by the truest definitions, a regressive. They admire a country of the past and want to get back to that. They are changing things, so not a conservative, but they are sort of going backwards to policies that we once had. Constitutionalists of the Constitution Party fall here because they want American law to follow the Founding Father's interpretations, so they go even back than the Republicans.

Democrats would like to keep what is happening with the Obama administration so by the truest definition that would be conserving.

Progressives are about changing what is happening in hopes for a new and brighter future. They aren't looking with a nostalgia of the past to base their policies. The term progressive generally falls to the left (Hillary is a Republican mind you) winged people but could also apply to anyone who doesn't look to say the 1950s to base policy. In some ways the Libertarians fall here.
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Old 08-20-2016, 03:00 PM
 
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Now that the Republican Party has been taken over by a bunch of wild eyed bomb throwing radicals, it left the Democrats as the only true conservatives in American politics.

How Democrats Became The Conservative Party: Hillary Clinton Wants to Maintain The Status Quo, While Trump Wants To Tear It Apart - The Atlantic
Do you mean like the radicals that Hillary and Soros hire to beat up Trump supporters? How about the "black lives matter conservatives" who feel the need to burn neighborhoods every time a black criminal, threatening to kill police, is killed?

Liberalism = Fascism
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Old 08-20-2016, 03:42 PM
 
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Libertarian Party is the New Conservative. Neutrality on abortions and LGBT rights. Abolishing the Death Penalty. Legalizing Marijuana. Reducing the Federal Government power, reducing taxes, shrinking Government agencies, and privitizing government agencies.

Free Trade, but openness to trade deals. Working with NATO Nations and focus on clandestine military operations. Military strategy less policing and more defense.
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Old 08-21-2016, 09:13 AM
 
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Technically a definition of conservative would be to keep things the way they are. A reduction of taxes and government as a whole is technically a change, therefore not being a conservative.

Now generally Republicans are what, by the truest definitions, a regressive. They admire a country of the past and want to get back to that. They are changing things, so not a conservative, but they are sort of going backwards to policies that we once had. Constitutionalists of the Constitution Party fall here because they want American law to follow the Founding Father's interpretations, so they go even back than the Republicans.

Democrats would like to keep what is happening with the Obama administration so by the truest definition that would be conserving.

Progressives are about changing what is happening in hopes for a new and brighter future. They aren't looking with a nostalgia of the past to base their policies. The term progressive generally falls to the left (Hillary is a Republican mind you) winged people but could also apply to anyone who doesn't look to say the 1950s to base policy. In some ways the Libertarians fall here.
Like most things these days, terms have not just been redefined, but more frequently than not, totally reversed, which is a deliberate, and apparently wildly successful tactic of confusing people.

Progressives, by their self anointed label, insinuate progress, which offers a positive connotation.... until you determine what it really is that they want to "progress toward". As they say, the devil is in the details.

But let me ask you this ... if yesterday we experienced a crash of the economy due to the policies of progressives wanting a brighter future, would it be "conservative" to maintain that status quo... and desire that we maintain it? Or would it be conservative to restore the conditions prior to the progressive policies responsible for that crash?

You see ... you are talking in circles ... like all good liberals are trained to do.
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Old 08-21-2016, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Liberalism = Fascism
I can always hand it to you to have the most ridiculous response in a thread - - you never fail.
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Old 08-21-2016, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Democrats may not be 100 conservative more like centrists - but many do believe in family values- God and serving their countries. Big difference is- they believe in peoples rights not to be robots, women's rights and more common sense laws for gun ownership. ASK- how many conservs own a weapon-- besides kitchen knives and a machete-- But as Mark Cuban said- there is no credit being given to so many everyday people in the country for holding it UP. REPS all want to protect BIG corps who have repeatedly kicked us all in the rear.
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