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U.S. News & World Report
A former Navy machinist mate who admitted taking photos inside a nuclear submarine was sentenced to a year in prison Friday, with a federal judge rebuffing a request for probation in light of authorities deciding not to prosecute Hillary Clinton for mishandling classified information on a private email server as secretary of state.
Kristian Saucier’s attorneys argued in a court filing last week that Clinton had been "engaging in acts similar to Mr. Saucier" with information of much higher classification. It would be "unjust and unfair for Mr. Saucier to receive any sentence other than probation for a crime those more powerful than him will likely avoid," attorney Derrick Hogan wrote.
The photos were deemed “confidential,” the lowest level for classification.
By contrast, an FBI investigation found Clinton’s private email server contained at least 110 emails with classified information. The probe found eight email chains with "top secret" information, 36 with "secret" information and eight with confidential information.
If as it seems, this material originated in the State Dept no other Dept or Agency can classify it within the State Dept. They can of course classify it as they see fit if it enters their domain.
It did not, read it again...
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110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received.
Even if it did it's a sorry ass excuse.
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I am not about to suggest that bad judgement may not have been involved
This was not bad judgement, it was done purposely so she could maintain control of that data. The irony here is in her zeal to protect her government communications from FOIA requests she has probably exposed them to the entire world. I guess we'll find out.
Purportedly one of the SAP items was in fact an incoming email from a civilian. Explain to me how that works.
I can think of one way that happens.... Clinton was blabbing to the civilian and they sent her follow up email on the matter. Clearly she has no respect for classified email communications, why would her mouth be any different?
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This was not bad judgement, it was done purposely so she could maintain control of that data. The irony here is in her zeal to protect her government communications from FOIA requests she has probably exposed them to the entire world. I guess we'll find out.
"owning agency"?
You don't detect BS? Does it say originating agency? Or writer? Pure unadulterated bureaucratese.
I doubt that very much. She lives in a SCIF. Has all sorts of classified capable system. I would think it is more likely a couple of discussions that got started on a forbidden subject. Nothing more. Still should not have happened but it did and it is not a shoot them offense.
I can think of one way that happens.... Clinton was blabbing to the civilian and they sent her follow up email on the matter. Clearly she has no respect for classified email communications, why would her mouth be any different?
BS. Sidney B was briefing her on goings on. The spooks decided he knew stuff that was classified. The implication was that he was able to tap spook sources.
When a separate agency like the CIA determines something is classified they own it. It cannot be unilaterally declassified by some other agency.
We can only speculate what it was and how it got onto her server but for example suppose Clinton was briefed on the Bin Laden raid and she was discussing the details of that briefing in her email.
Only if you have not read what the Comey has said.
In ant event was Clinton's job and her staff's job to identify, classify and protect that material using the appropriate classified systems to communicate it. They are all either complete morons or did it for their own selfish reasons, take your pick.
Do you think that the judgement to deem something classified is an exact science, you think someone that misclassifies material is a moron as if that is a clear line, please. Maybe you can produce some government guidance that should be completely clear. LOL
I saw two of the three emails that were were marked classified down in the the string, it's not clear.
Do you think that the judgement to deem something classified is an exact science,
Some of this material was TOP SECRET/SAP, these are not blueberry pie recipes they were discussing.
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There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).
None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.
Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.
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When a separate agency like the CIA determines something is classified they own it. It cannot be unilaterally declassified by some other agency.
Sure it can.
Department secretaries are equal in rank, all are equal Original Classifying Authorities, and all are superior to the director of the CIA. There is no law that dictates that a classification by any one of these equal Original Classifying Authorities governs any of the others. There isn't even such an Executive Order.
There is no such law. In general, they observe each other's classifications, but there is no such law requiring them to do so. You can quote all the DoD regs--none of them governs any other Department Secretary--no law says they do.
I'm not suggesting Clinton was at all correct or proper. No, her actions were heinous and disreputable--consistent with what we all figured she'd do even back in the 90s when she was First Lady.
My point here is that there is actually nothing to prosecute her by any Executive Branch regulation.
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