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Old 09-10-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Correct me if I have this wrong but it seems to me that what Nixon did to deserve impeachment is nothing compared to what other politicians have been accused of and seem to get away with now. For instance with all of the accusations against both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump why are they still allowed to be candidates for the highset office in the land? Can't we do better ? Is there a much higher tolerance for greed, corruption, and lies today from our politicians then there used to be?
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Old 09-10-2016, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It's remarkable that in a country of 320 million we have a Trump/ Hillary ticket.

Then again, that's the ticket a majority of Primary voters voted for. ( sigh)
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Old 09-10-2016, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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The process required to become the President should disqualify anyone from serving as the President.
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Only the sociopaths and psychopaths among us will go to the extremes of energy output required for the duration of time required to get power to control others with.

Some may admire this but it highlights the flawed and over-driven psychology of all political power candidates. In office they will make every decision based solely on personal power.
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What we have to do is stop looking for leadership from the top, because the least among us make their way into those positions of power.

You can see that now -- those guys are not fit to throw guts down to a bear, any of them.

So what we have to do is knock off this fantasy of being citizens inside a democratic state, I mean, what we are, are the propagandized masses inside a fascist dictatorship, and what people have to do is begin to form affinity groups, get their own ship together, get their own goals defined, and then move out into it and do it, it's not gonna come from the policy council of the Republican or Democratic parties, that's just silly to think that.
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Old 09-10-2016, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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It's remarkable that in a country of 320 million we have a Trump/ Hillary ticket.

Then again, that's the ticket a majority of Primary voters voted for. ( sigh)

Do you think that big business is controlling behind the scenes who gets into power and wants only the most corrupt individuals to be elected?
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Old 09-10-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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Can we do better? Of course we can. Not sure if we deserve it...

Politicians are given a pass because of the ole 'lesser of two evils' thing. If some other, more accessible, Republican would have gotten the nomination, he'd be the president. Hands down. Way too many Democrats don't like Hillary. If the GOP went with a moderate conservative, a lot of casual democrats would have happily voted for that guy. But that can't happen because the man on their ticket is Donald Trump, thus, many are going to reluctantly vote for someone whom they know shouldn't be president because they feel it's the better alternative between the two.

We also don't ever hold politicians accountable. This is probably because relatively small scandals and controversies are blown WAY the **** up. When Hillary Clinton coughing is considered major news, it makes the whole conspiring with the DNC to shutdown Bernie seem not as bad. Or rather, we're just desensitized to scandals that it doesn't seem that bad. So yeah, all the asshats posting Breitbart articles about Hillary secretly having some rare disease that will turn her into a Batman villain overtime are, in a way, responsible for her not getting kicked out of a democratic election because she showed callous disrespect for democarcy.
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Old 09-10-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Thanks for the great words. Perhaps what we really need to do is not worry about who is in power but just work on changing the laws? Or maybe "think globally and act locally".
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Old 09-10-2016, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Can we do better? Of course we can. Not sure if we deserve it...

Politicians are given a pass because of the ole 'lesser of two evils' thing. If some other, more accessible, Republican would have gotten the nomination, he'd be the president. Hands down. Way too many Democrats don't like Hillary. If the GOP went with a moderate conservative, a lot of casual democrats would have happily voted for that guy. But that can't happen because the man on their ticket is Donald Trump, thus, many are going to reluctantly vote for someone whom they know shouldn't be president because they feel it's the better alternative between the two.

We also don't ever hold politicians accountable. This is probably because relatively small scandals and controversies are blown WAY the **** up. When Hillary Clinton coughing is considered major news, it makes the whole conspiring with the DNC to shutdown Bernie seem not as bad. Or rather, we're just desensitized to scandals that it doesn't seem that bad. So yeah, all the asshats posting Breitbart articles about Hillary secretly having some rare disease that will turn her into a Batman villain overtime are, in a way, responsible for her not getting kicked out of a democratic election because she showed callous disrespect for democarcy.

Why would the DNC not want Bernie to win the nomination? What is in it for them?
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Old 09-10-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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Can you imagine what would have happened if the Occupy Wall Street kids and the original Tea Party ( before that group was heavily infiltrated by entrenched powers ) had ever realized that they were actually on the same page? That both groups were pissed off about corporate greed and corruption running American politics, and politicians? That the common man is tired of being sucked dry and sold out?

Nope. Can't have that! Those groups were quickly positioned by the media and the powers that be as being polar opposites. It took some doing, but the ogliargarchs pulled it off and prevented a revolution of sorts. Gotta give them their due on that one. Well played. *golf clap*
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Old 09-10-2016, 01:09 PM
 
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Why would the DNC not want Bernie to win the nomination? What is in it for them?
He's not an establishment Democrat. He's essentially a third party candidate, much like Trump, who ran under the party's name.
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Old 09-10-2016, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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He's not an establishment Democrat. He's essentially a third party candidate, much like Trump, who ran under the party's name.

By establishment do you mean his views or his corruptibility on issues?
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