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Old 09-17-2016, 08:18 PM
 
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I own an oceanfront property in an association in which 4 are oceanfront and 30+ are not. I pay taxes for my privately owned oceanfront property. There are no legally recorded easements.

Should others get to use my privately owned property for free?
I'm confused, what do you actually own, to the high water mark? What part of youe "private property" are they trespassing on.

If it's a big problem can't you just fence off your property?
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Old 09-17-2016, 08:38 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The bolded above is what they are seeking.

The homeowners are not blocking the public's rights to use the beach and they are not contesting the city's right to take the property.

The homeowners are contesting the city's attempt to take the property without compensation.

It is called an easement. All property has it.
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Old 09-17-2016, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I own an oceanfront property in an association in which 4 are oceanfront and 30+ are not. I pay taxes for my privately owned oceanfront property. There are no legally recorded easements.

Should others get to use my privately owned property for free?
And I own the road in front of my home. Fee simple. But the other three properties in the culk-de-sac have a right to pass over it. But I still own it. And the back twelve feet on my property are an easement by the county. Can't build on or do anything but landscape and that is limited. Can't even put in a sdewalk as the horses don't like them.
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Old 09-17-2016, 09:48 PM
 
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It is called an easement. All property has it.
The lower court seems to have decided that; but, their Supreme Court took this case for some reason... we'll just have to wait and see why.
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Old 09-18-2016, 12:00 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I can come and camp out on the beach right in front of his property and pretty much live there tax free year around.
Beaches and banks of rivers have been common law passageways since the first of mankind.
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:37 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The answer is yes, they get to use your land since there is no 'taking' in a public easement.
There is no legal easement recorded on the deed or title. Public land is seaward only of the legally surveyed and recorded high water mark.
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:46 AM
 
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I'm confused, what do you actually own, to the high water mark? What part of youe "private property" are they trespassing on.
Landward of the high water mark. My lot line extends 100 feet eastward of the naturally occurring barrier dune, otherwise known as the dry sand beach. You know, the part where everyone sets up their beach umbrellas, beach chairs, canopy tents, coolers, beach blankets, etc.

Should also add that (in my case) while the town and state insists the public can use the privately owned land for free that the owner is taxed on, they provide no lifeguards, no trash cans, don't clean up the mess people leave behind, etc.

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If it's a big problem can't you just fence off your property?
No. The town won't allow it.
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:50 AM
 
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It is called an easement. All property has it.
Most property has a public and/or utility easement near the street. That's legally recorded and should show up on a survey. There is no easement elsewhere unless it's legally recorded. That's exactly why the police cannot enter your home without a search warrant. They do not have an easement to do so.
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:54 AM
 
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And I own the road in front of my home. Fee simple. But the other three properties in the culk-de-sac have a right to pass over it. But I still own it.
And that's probably legally recorded as an easement.
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And the back twelve feet on my property are an easement by the county.
Also legally recorded. Check your survey.
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:55 AM
 
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The lower court seems to have decided that; but, their Supreme Court took this case for some reason... we'll just have to wait and see why.
I'm guessing it's because there is no legally recorded easement.
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