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Old 05-26-2019, 11:52 PM
 
Location: England
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He came. He saw. He conquered.........



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXrhUh1K_bI

 
Old 05-27-2019, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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In terms of the Tory Leadership battle they are all coming out of the wodwork now.

Although it's going to have to be a Brexiteer and not remainers like Jeremy Hunt, Matt Hancock or clueless Rory Stewart.

I don't know much about Domininc Raab, and neither do the public, indeed he hardly has an impressive record of Ministerial positions.

As for Leadsom she bottled it last time, and I don't see here being an effective leader, and I am not impressed by the other possible female candidates such as Esther McVey, Priti Patel or Penny Mordaunt.

It's looking increasingly like a battle of the big Tory beasts in terms of Broris and Gove, and one thing is for sure whoever takes on the job better deliver Brexit because Farage is waiting in the wings.

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Old 05-27-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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So, parties that clearly identified themselves as pro-Brexit (58.1%) won the night handily against parties that identified themselves as anti-Brexit (40.3%).

https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1132796231414145024

Here was the Lib Dem poster that made this divide crystal clear for everyone to see.



So this was a smashing win in support of getting Brexit finished.

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Old 05-27-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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So, parties that clearly identified themselves as pro-Brexit (58.1%) won the night handily against parties that identified themselves as anti-Brexit (40.3%).



Here was the Lib Dem poster that made this divide crystal clear for everyone to see.



So this was a smashing win in support of getting Brexit finished.
No place near as clear as you are suggesting. The views of Con and Lab are far more nuanced and varied than simply supporting BREXIT.

So another vote? Could be.
 
Old 05-27-2019, 09:55 AM
 
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No place near as clear as you are suggesting. The views of Con and Lab are far more nuanced and varied than simply supporting BREXIT.

So another vote? Could be.
Both Labour and the Conservatives have consistently and relentlessly insisted that they support Brexit. Anyone who says otherwise either does not know what they are talking about, or they are lying through their teeth.

Case closed.
 
Old 05-27-2019, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Both Labour and the Conservatives have consistently and relentlessly insisted that they support Brexit. Anyone who says otherwise either does not know what they are talking about, or they are lying through their teeth.

Case closed.
They support something...exactly what is unclear. Note there is no BREXIT. If the two parties supported it without conditions there obviously would have been one.

And it appears pretty clear that parliament rejects all BREXIT propositions.

So the case is clearly open.
 
Old 05-27-2019, 12:33 PM
 
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Boris Johnson clarifies that it is not sensible to aim exclusively for a no deal Brexit. Of course he is exactly right. The ideal situation should be to negotiate a mutually agreeable, good deal between the UK and the EU.

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Not sensible to aim exclusively for no deal Brexit - UK leadership frontrunner Johnson

It would not be sensible to aim only to leave the European Union without a deal but it would not be responsible to take no deal off the table, Boris Johnson, the bookmakers’ favourite to succeed Theresa May as British prime minister, said on Sunday. On Friday former foreign minister Johnson said Britain should leave the bloc with or without a deal on Oct. 31.

“No one sensible would aim exclusively for a no-deal outcome. No one responsible would take no-deal off the table,” he wrote in his weekly column for the Daily Telegraph newspaper. “If we are courageous and optimistic, we can strike a good bargain with our friends across the Channel, come out well and on time – by October 31 – and start delivering on all the hopes and ambitions of the people.”
Sadly, the EU has been intransigent and does not appear to be willing to agree to a deal that is also acceptable to the UK. In fact, the EU appears to be opposed to a deal that actually allows the UK to leave of its own accord, without a last minute approval by the EU. And that the UK cannot agree to if it is truly intent on being a nation that is sovereignly independent of the EU.

I would expect that nearly all of the Tory candidates for PM who are committed to leaving the EU on October 31, 2019 will come out with similar positions. Of course if the EU continues to remain intransigent about abandoning the backstop provision, then the likely outcome of that will be the UK leaving with no deal on October 31, 2019.
 
Old 05-27-2019, 12:48 PM
 
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SNP Leader Ian Blackford has stated that opposition MP's may not be able to stop a no-deal Brexit.
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Opposition MPs may not be able to stop Brexit, says SNP’s Ian Blackford

Asked if any prime minister determined to take the UK out of the EU could do so by the default date by not doing much at all, Mr Blackford said:
“I’m afraid that is the case. I know that sounds absolutely ridiculous but … that is the default position. That’s where we are from the legislation that is already in place so we have to find a way to stop that. The best way of doing it, in many respects, is if the new prime minister does bring forward legislation, but on a no-deal basis that it’s possible they could avoid that. So we are in a very dangerous, very worrying situation in terms of our future as members of the European Union."
The majority party controls what gets debated and voted on, just like the majority party does here in our House of Representatives. If the majority brings up a bill regarding Brexit, then the opposition will have a chance to amend that legislation, which is how the extension request was passed in April.

But no new legislation is needed for the UK to exit the EU with no deal. If the majority does not advance a bill, then there is nothing the minority can do, aside from trying to promote a vote of no confidence in order to overturn the Majority government and trigger a general election. But it takes time to hold a general election, and if the genneral election date is not until after October 31, 2019, then whoever wins the election would inherit the government of the UK with it no longer being a member of the EU.

So, if the new Tory PM can hold their nerve, there does not appear to be much that can be done to stop a no deal Brexit from happening, as SNP Leader Ian Blackford has correctly stated.
 
Old 05-27-2019, 06:52 PM
 
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Steve Bannon, who helped propel Donald Trump’s populist campaign to the White House, was in Paris on Monday to celebrate the victories of like-minded parties in Europe and gird for the battle ahead.

“You see the trend, and it’s definitely nationalist-versus-globalist,” he said. He predicted the far-right will prevail by grinding the European Parliament to a halt: “Every day will be like Stalingrad.”

https://www.apnews.com/6152801851684d879999dbcdc62c1e0f
 
Old 05-28-2019, 03:17 AM
 
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With Steve Bannon on your side, what could possibly go wrong?

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