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Old 12-17-2018, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Poverty is rampant in rural America. Access to healthcare is dreadful in many cases. Drug abuse in rural America is at epidemic levels. I guess we should blame conservatives for it?
Yet I always see conservatives brush this off because people from California or New York are moving to their state. I recall on another forum this one person from Texas really believed that Texas spends more on education than New York.

 
Old 12-17-2018, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Prior to the 1960s, most modern day "liberal" cities were majority white, majority Republican, and had a thriving economy, thriving middle class, low crime rates, good schools, and affordable housing. Liberals in typical fashion would see something wrong with that society and introduce illegals from poor countries into these communities en mass. Crime and violence go up, property values decline, taxes go up, middle class are punished and move out, etc and then another once conservative city is destroyed by the left. Then those lefties move out and move to conservative cities and states like Colorado and Utah and do the same thing there. This is why people say liberals are mentally ill. This is why people say liberals destroy cities. Because that's what you do. You exist to destruct and dismantle western values.
New York City today is arguably more safer than it was in the 1960s.
 
Old 12-17-2018, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I live in one such city, Baltimore. Yes, I do blame many of the city's problems on the liberal politicians and the people who continue to mindlessly elect and re-elect liberals.


Here are just a few problems I blame on liberals:
* Crime - liberals are not tough on crime, liberal judges routinely let violent offenders out of jail and give them light sentences
* Guns - Despite the above, law-abiding citizens are not afforded the means to defend themselves from violent criminals
* Taxes - The property taxes here are almost twice as much as any of the surrounding counties, and the city wonders why nobody wants to buy property here
* National Issues - The fools on the City Council are routinely interjecting themselves into national politics when their singular focus should be on addresses the many, many local problems such as the above
* Wasting Taxpayers' Money - The liberals who run this town are continually demonstrating that their priorities are screwed up - examples: 1) they gave all Baltimore City school kids the day off and bus transportation to travel to D.C. to protest Donald Trump; 2) they appropriated $300K to hire attorneys for illegal immigrants, 3) The City gave $6M of taxpayer money to the family of Freddy Gray, whose contribution to society was raising a drug dealer who they were lucky enough to have die in police custody (P.S. all the involved police were completely exonerated in the end)
* Racism - All major offices in Baltimore are occupied by African Americans and the police force is majority minority - YET, the city's problems are still attributed to "racism" as opposed to corruption and incompetence of the all-black leadership


So yeah, liberals are to blame for problems in big cities.
Actually it seems like a personal problem for Baltimore. There are many liberal cities that are doing ok around the country minus the manufacturing cities. Then again I do not know of any major republican cities.
 
Old 12-17-2018, 11:59 PM
 
Location: New York
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And I'd lkke to seehoe you do without modern medical care. Modern medicine. Modern infrastructure you take shelter in and use for transportation + communication. Plumbing. Your assets tied up in the financial network.

All stuff largely developed in those pesky "liberal" cities you love to hate!
You missed the point completely.

BTW, the exact same share of taxes from those backwoods dirt farmers goes to fund all the modern miracles. Breakthroughs in medicine and tech may reside in urban areas, but they are funded by their money just the same as your money.

The main point is that the backwoods farmers are this countries bread basket. They can adjust much easier to less tech while urban dwellers cannot adjust to less food. What's the use in having good medical facilities if you're starving? If the sh%t really hits the fan, do you think you'll have access to them? Don't fool yourself, you will not.

It's really that simple.

Keep in kind that all medicine began in the backwoods with remedies and elixirs. All homeopathic medicine, which is just now gaining mainstream acceptance, began in rural areas. Every medicine has roots from the basics.

BTW, Tyler Texas would be considered the boonies to you, yet they have world-class medical facilities and two Level II trauma centers, of which there are only 210 in the country. Backwoods may not be what you think it to be.


You need the farmers far more than they need you.
 
Old 12-18-2018, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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The supply and demand issues causing housing prices to skyrocket are a product of liberal regulatory and restrictive policy. There is all sorts of red tape to building in California and New York, etc. it’s also fairly easy to see how say forcing everyone to buy a solar panel would raise housing prices. Based on demand their major cities should be built out an hour in each direction like say Charlotte and Atlanta to create more supply. Also taxes and high minimum wages are a fairly direct way to increase cost of living. All of this is of course anti-middle class which is why you will find very few people, relatively, living squarely in the middle class in large coastal cities. Pretty much only the rich and the poor live in these places.
New York City has by far much more square miles than Atlanta and Charlotte, and technically speaking San Francisco cannot build an hour out each way. Atlanta also has one of the fastest growing pace of rents in the country.
 
Old 12-18-2018, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I posted this from an old thread.


Here is Business Insider's 2013 list of the most dangerous cities based on total crime, and crime per capita. I've added how strong democrat support is in each city currently.

1 - Flint, MI - Strong Support for Democrats
2 - Detroit, MI - Strong Support for Democrats
3 - Oakland, CA - Strong Support for Democrats
4 - Bridgeport, CN - Leans Democrat
5 - New Orleans, LA - Over 100 years of Democratic dominance
6 - Cleveland, OH - Strong Support for Democrats
7 - St. Louis, MO - Strong Support for Democrats
8 - Jackson, Miss - Leans Democrat
9 - Baltimore, MD - Strong Democratic Support
10 - Newark, NJ - Over 150 years of Democratic dominance

There isn't a single Republican leaning city in the Top 10. Can anyone explain why this is?
All you did was post a list with the majority of them being destroyed by the manufacturing leaving those cities. Also these cities are by far mostly African American. African Americans vote democrat no matter what state they live in.
 
Old 12-18-2018, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I grew up in the Bronx. When coop city was built most middle class family’s jumped at the chance to own something and get a tax break. The vast amount of empty apartments were filled with welfare recipients. When the superintendent of our building went on welfare and moved into an apartment building that we could not afford, I though, we that something was not right.During the 70’s one million people were on welfare in NYC. Our family was trapped with the welfare recipients. I did not understand how they could afford so much when we could not afford an automobile. A policeman I was good friends with told me that they were not allowed to report welfare abuse because it was a federal program. He confided in me that he arrested a person for drugs and assault. The perp had 3 welfare cards with 3 different names but the same picture. His hands were tied. He could be penalized for reporting this. Instead he taped the 3 IDs together and dropped them in the mailbox.
This is the modus oporundi of the liberal culture. The perp probably voted 3 different times for the party that would support him.
Sure.......
 
Old 12-18-2018, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Well, people who can afford $800k 1500sf McMansions and several cars and a bunch of children tend to be wealthy. The conservative party caters to them, so it makes sense they'd vote that way.
Agreed, the conservatives who live in fancy suburbs probably wouldn't even want to sit in the same restaurants as conservatives who live in rural areas.
 
Old 12-18-2018, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Poverty is rampant in rural America. Access to healthcare is dreadful in many cases. Drug abuse in rural America is at epidemic levels. I guess we should blame conservatives for it?
Go ahead, still pales in comparison to the war zone inner cities of America, governed by liberals.

When you kill another human being, that's worse than drug use, poverty, and lack of healthcare. There is ZERO excuse for it. You're going to prison for a long time, if not for life.

Liberals have FAILED their constituents in the inner city and failed to keep them safe from the criminals who run these neighborhoods. And the poor victims of these communities just keep voting for liberals.

How did liberals fail? Because they PAY you to have kids in America. They fund and provide incentive to the very behavior that should be avoided by America's underclass, unwed pregnancy.

So now wonder little kids grow up to commit all kinds of crime. There is no father in the house, as there is far more welfare and less taxes to receive, with far less effort, with an absent father.
 
Old 12-18-2018, 01:41 AM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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The supply and demand issues causing housing prices to skyrocket are a product of liberal regulatory and restrictive policy. There is all sorts of red tape to building in California and New York, etc. it’s also fairly easy to see how say forcing everyone to buy a solar panel would raise housing prices. Based on demand their major cities should be built out an hour in each direction like say Charlotte and Atlanta to create more supply. Also taxes and high minimum wages are a fairly direct way to increase cost of living. All of this is of course anti-middle class which is why you will find very few people, relatively, living squarely in the middle class in large coastal cities. Pretty much only the rich and the poor live in these places.
What are you talking about NYC sprawls all the way to Brick, NJ and into Connecticut it is several times bigger than Atlanta, so is Los Angeles. Atlanta is only bigger than San Francisco Bay Area and that’s because of geographical constraints means you can’t build out further. Also because of Atlanta’s size as it grows prices will shoot-up since it has essentially overextended itself. It’s not liberal policies that lead to high pricing it is the NIMBY-ism of American culture. The idea that every city can grow by adding a suburban house. When literally every country except Australia is several times denser than American cities. This cultural aspect isn’t a liberal thing either and is arguably stronger in Conservative communities. San Francisco is growing but parts of the area refuses to get denser because for some weird reason Americans hate change (Look at Japan and South Korean cities/ dense and very liveable).

NYC is he only city’s that addresses it’s affordability problems and it still expensive because it is literally the most desireable real estate in the world, not even more apartments can change that, luckily the city isn’t really growing anymore or else it might sprawl to Philadelphia.
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