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If they are genuinely nice, then they should stay that way. Being nice is not the same as being doormat
That is the point I was trying to make.
Your end of the first paragraph is where the disconnect lies.
Women are saying that they don't want a man that is a doormat, but society (feminists) are telling us that the same traits that would make a man a non-doormat, is "toxic masculinity". A man that believes he should lead a woman, take charge, be assertive, all of that has been deemed misogynistic and that he believes women are inferior to imply he should lead one.
Your end of the first paragraph is where the disconnect lies.
Women are saying that they don't want a man that is a doormat, but society (feminists) are telling us that the same traits that would make a man a non-doormat, is "toxic masculinity". A man that believes he should lead a woman, take charge, be assertive, all of that has been deemed misogynistic and that he believes women are inferior to imply he should lead one.
Life is a balancing art. If you are able to achieve the healthy balance WHILE being the authentic self, then you are a success.
Don't listen to "feminists". Look around you. Who do you think is the most successful? I can tell you the most successful men in my life are always the men who lead an authentic life. If he says NO, he means NO. if he says YES, he means YES. He is not a doormat, and he won't take crap from anybody. His word is his bond.
A real man is not an abuser, a real man is not a jerk. Well, a real man is also not boring. He carries himself with an attitude. He is just naturally attractive.
Obviously, I can only speak for myself anyway. different women are looking for different men.
I don't think they have read my other post about "bad boys with heart of gold"
I was talking about guys pretending to be nice. NOT attractive at all.
I think that's really "bad boys with a face and body of gold".
Of course they are nice to women, pretending or not, because first nice is subjective and secondly they are getting what they want, a girl attracted to them and willing to do whatever they want. Who's to say they aren't just pretending to be a "bad boy".
When you are very attractive and/or wealthy, you don't have to pretend and you don't even have to be nice for people to like you. You don't see the other side of these guys that other guys see.
Unattractive bad boy=creep
Unattractive nice guy= friend or pretending to be nice guy
Attractive bad boy=sex partner with a "heart of gold".
Attractive nice guy=long term relationship, marriage guy
It mostly just turns on how visually appealing and attractive he is rather than any objective personality factors.
As soon as we master virtual sex, we're going to see entire sections of the male population that won't date or even communicate with women unless they have to. I already know several men that prefer Internet porn to the real thing simply because they can eliminate actually having to interact with the opposite sex.
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