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When it comes to America
Do you really think that terrorizing and enslaving an entire race of people for 300-400 years and then denying them most of your Privileges for another 100+ years, throwing many of them in prisons and packing them up over minor offenses and unfair sentencing, having a history of police brutality towards them that has been complained about for decades and no one would believe them and now is being proven almost weekly with video, that a certain race is not going to be proud of American history or want to honor it?
I don't have a problem with black people protesting the flag, the anthem or anything at all really. Its their right to protest what they want and I'm perfectly fine with that. The problem that I DO HAVE is that THEY'RE MASSIVE HYPOCRITES that won't allow non-black people to do the same especially when they're protesting something that involves black people. Too many times blacks FORCE people to be tolerant of their views and allowing them to express themselves however they like even if it involves pissing people off, yet on the flipside black people all too often are INTOLERANT of people wanting to exercise those same rights and they will often get angry and even violent if you should do so.
For example:
- black people protesting police brutality. OK
- non-blacks protesting black crime and violence. NOT OK, get shouted down as racists and bigots etc.
- Black lives matter protesting injustice and inequality. OK
- people protesting against BLM and their behavior and beliefs. NOT OK, get shouted down as racists and bigots etc.
Seriously I have a hard time respecting people who DEMAND that you listen to them and their views, but will NEVER DO THE SAME for you and your views if it doesn't align with theirs and instead will probably get angry and even violent towards you for having the gall to disagree with them. >_>
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Why you get mad when they dont want to be part of or applaud your history or honor the national anthem?
If black people don't honor our history, then WHY DO THEY WANT TO BE APART OF IT? Why do they continue to be apart of 'the system' they hate so much and taking advantage of it instead of striking out on their own and creating their own system and society??
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Do you think if white were discriminated agaisnt as much as blacks have and had to grow up in slums or housing projects or the worst parts of town because another race set it up that way, that there wouldn't be a large amount of hate or despise for American history from them?
I'm sure if whites had the same history that blacks did here that there would definitely be some hate, anger and anomosity. HOWEVER I would 100% GUARANTEE YOU that instead of complaining for literally generations now about the crappy hand they were dealt and waiting for people to fix things for them while they go about destroying themselves, white people would've said to themselves 'OK we're in a bad situation, but instead of wasting time dwelling on things let's see how we can dig ourselves out of this mess and improve things for ourselves' and then they would've went out and did it.
This is why whites and asian people for that matter keep bouncing back. No matter how often they've been knocked down, they keep rebuilding and improving and coming back. When have black people done that on a grand scale consistently? Maybe if they did, not every single black nation on earth would be failed countries right now and most black communities wouldn't be violent and crime ridden.
When it comes to America
Do you really think that terrorizing and enslaving an entire race of people for 300-400 years and then denying them most of your Privileges for another 100+ years, throwing many of them in prisons and packing them up over minor offenses and unfair sentencing, having a history of police brutality towards them that has been complained about for decades and no one would believe them and now is being proven almost weekly with video, that a certain race is not going to be proud of American history or want to honor it?
Why you get mad when they dont want to be part of or applaud your history or honor the national anthem?
Do you really think any white person would voluntarily agree to be treated the way black people are?
Do you think if white were discriminated agaisnt as much as blacks have and had to grow up in slums or housing projects or the worst parts of town because another race set it up that way, that there wouldn't be a large amount of hate or despise for American history from them?
If the national anthem means so mean to people who, I guarantee sit down when they hear it at home, why dont we go ahead and add back that verse of the song, since its no big deal. I mean why should we care the song is signing about celebrating the death of slaves, is just American history right?
Terrorizing an "entire race" of people? I don't think that means what you think it means.
300-400 hundred years?
Imprisoned for "minor offenses"?
Police brutality happened against EVERYONE until the last 20-30 years.
My people were forced to fight in a war they didn't start or understand, to free Black people who'd been enslaving one another since the dawn of recorded history. They were denied housing, employment, weren't allowed in businesses, were depicted in the media as apes, thieves, rapists & violent drunks & were frequently the victims of police brutality that would rival anything any other group has endured. We don't kneel at the National Anthem. We realize we have an amazing country full of opportunity for anyone that has the ambition & drive to succeed.
Terrorizing an "entire race" of people? I don't think that means what you think it means.
300-400 hundred years?
Imprisoned for "minor offenses"?
Police brutality happened against EVERYONE until the last 20-30 years.
My people were forced to fight in a war they didn't start or understand, to free Black people who'd been enslaving one another since the dawn of recorded history. They were denied housing, employment, weren't allowed in businesses, were depicted in the media as apes, thieves, rapists & violent drunks & were frequently the victims of police brutality that would rival anything any other group has endured. We don't kneel at the National Anthem. We realize we have an amazing country full of opportunity for anyone that has the ambition & drive to succeed.
Uh; in the eyes of many "people of color", us "Irish" are just anglo white people in 2016 even tho what you said is true.
The pledge was not a creation to respect the countries original design and focus.
I'm not terribly interested in what America supposedly stands for, or was intended to stand for. I'm interested in the common characteristics of nationhood & patriotism that are deeply rooted in human psychology. Even if the USA was supposed to be essentially the antithesis of nation in that patriotism was supposed to be regarded as bad, this would be entirely unsustainable. Either the country would collapse or some form of patriotism would naturally emerge to prevent that.
What I do not identify with is the religious devotion to a constitution such as what you seem to promote. A constitution can be modified, amended, suspended, or even abolished entirely, and a nation would still stand if its foundation is solid - i.e., if the people continue to identify with its traditions, common heritage, symbolism, culture, language, et cetera.
It is our national anthem and our flag, for crying out loud. It's that important that you cherish and respect those things, regardless of what some people's grievances just happen to be.
There are always going to be people --- sadly, I must say, --- who are never going to be happy with much of anything, no matter the progress that actually has been made since the mid-1800s. Remember, it was the then-newly-found Republican Party who fought to abolish slavery.
And did.
In the 1860s. And that couldn't be appreciated??? Some people just choose to be unhappy.
Our flag and our anthem are sacred treasures and part of our heritage. And, yes, it is your right to salute them or not, but to not salute them suggests that you don't have a passion and a love for this great land. We should all be glad and thankful to live in a nation where, for the most part, we still don't face the kind of craziness that lesser countries and Third World nations experience on an hourly basis. Sad that liberals clearly do not appreciate that.
So you don't believe in the Constitution, its principals and respect for individual liberty (as you say you are not concerned about it and call those who bring it up as I do "religious" in our mention), but you think people should promote nation states ignorant of its purpose and focus for the sake of collectivism.
Well, you are certainly entitled to that opinion and such is not an uncommon stance as it was commonly held by communist and socialist regimes of the past.
First off, I despise communism. Socialism is a bit more nuanced and can be more broadly applied to a range of political philosophies. And for your information, I consider myself a patriot of Ukraine. Your choice of labels seems very confused. Nationalism and communism are incompatible. The latter seeks to break down nation-states, and distinct nations themselves, and implements anti-nationalist state socialism to do so. Communism is anti-nationalist and its legacy is one of immense death and suffering.
I think I know better than most that the essence of the nation is the PEOPLE. The people--bolstered by a unique heritage, with all its sundry manifestations--form the essence of the nation. Loyalty to the nation means loyalty to your own people. I most certainly do not worship the state; having an independent nation-state is extremely important in and of itself, but it is not the same as actually being a nation. In fact, it is quite possible (and common) to hate the government, but love the nation and see the inherent value of its independence.
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