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Old 10-25-2016, 02:17 AM
 
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I'm talking about a real war like WW2 and stuff. I keep hearing crap about being on the brink of WW3 and fighting Russia and Korea and nukes, invasions, cats and dogs living together...
If WWIII happens, you won't know about it. If you aren't in an incinerated urban area, the electricity will just go off and it won't come back on.
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:44 AM
 
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From the amount of money we spent on defense I can say we have been a war for quite some time!
It just keeps getting worse everyday!!!
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Is the US going to war soon?

If you mean a real war, then the answer is no.

Of course, we've been mired in the ridiculous corporate-enriching "war on terror" for a decade and a half already. But it's not a real war. It's like the decades-long failed "war on drugs."
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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The generals are the least likely to urge war. They dragged their feet as much as they could to avoid the Iraq invasion, short of mass resignation. The "Class of Vietnam" actually did all retire en masse, and the Army CoS got himself fired disputing with the SecDef over it. The DIA leaked intel against it until the SecDef took them out of the picture and hired a crew of yes-men to do their job.

But nobody was listening to the generals then or now.

You just have to understand how they speak. They will never tell the the SecDef, "No." They will say, "It's harder than you may think, Sir," or "It will take longer than you predict, Sir." And if they keep saying, "It's still harder than that, Sir" it's time to listen to them.
I thought out 'perfect war' was fought by General Norman Schwarzkopf. We went in, got the job done and got out with very few casualties on our side. It appeared that the politicians did not interfere with his battle plans and pretty much left him alone - with maybe the exception of when to call it quits?

With any war with Russia things can go terribly bad in seconds or minutes. Like Hillary said, during the debate, it is only four minutes from the time the launch codes are given until the missiles are on their way. That doesn't give either side a lot of wiggle room - it's hard to say "Whoa"! The other side doesn't want to be the last one to launch. The closer we are to each other; the greater the chance of mistakes - that is what is so dangerous about having the fleets that close.

We desperately need negotiators. Hillary and Obama could leave a legacy of killing more people than all the Hitler's, Stalin's and all the other despots in the whole world. They could end sustainable life in the Northern Hemisphere. I guess that it is OK if you don't mind being trapped in a bomb shelter for the rest or your natural life.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:35 AM
 
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I thought out 'perfect war' was fought by General Norman Schwarzkopf. We went in, got the job done and got out with very few casualties on our side. It appeared that the politicians did not interfere with his battle plans and pretty much left him alone - with maybe the exception of when to call it quits?
That was by the "Class of Vietnam," which subscribed to the Weinberger-Powell doctrine. George HW Bush--himself a former military combat commander--trusted his generals.

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With any war with Russia things can go terribly bad in seconds or minutes. Like Hillary said, during the debate, it is only four minutes from the time the launch codes are given until the missiles are on their way. That doesn't give either side a lot of wiggle room - it's hard to say "Whoa"! The other side doesn't want to be the last one to launch. The closer we are to each other; the greater the chance of mistakes - that is what is so dangerous about having the fleets that close.
A. The US is not going to war with Russia. The US would blink because the nobody in the oligarchy would make money on a nuclear war.

B. The US is fully capable of being the "last to launch" and still render a totally effective second strike--even a third strike. That's what the "Nuclear Triad" is all about. The Russians know that.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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That was by the "Class of Vietnam," which subscribed to the Weinberger-Powell doctrine. George HW Bush--himself a former military combat commander--trusted his generals.

A. The US is not going to war with Russia. The US would blink because the nobody in the oligarchy would make money on a nuclear war.

B. The US is fully capable of being the "last to launch" and still render a totally effective second strike--even a third strike. That's what the "Nuclear Triad" is all about. The Russians know that.
Of course the Russians know all about this. That still does not make this escalation any less dangerous. Things can go wrong - Murphy's Law.

To me it is insane to even talk about this because of emails or our military stance on Syria (since it is pretty obvious that we have no idea what to do or who to support). We should be moving away from any chance of nuclear confrontation; not towards it!
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:50 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Getting us into a war is the fall back plan if it looks like trump will win.


Starting a war is consistent with obama's strategy to break down the nation by every crease possible to make it easier to install a big government and socialism.


A war of course would be the last thing we need with a depleted military, lost faith in the pentagon demoralizing service men and women, spare parts coming from museums, hillary's claim the problems at the VA are just isolated cherry picked problems to make the VA look like a failure, etc. The VA is the model for single payer healthcare system obamcare was created to preface.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Vladivostok Russia
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If we set up a no-fly zone in Syria, there will be a war.
I think its grossly overestimating our capabilities. I don't like what I hear - but I think the US setting up a no-fly zone in Syria is merely a pipe dream.
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Old 10-25-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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I think its grossly overestimating our capabilities. I don't like what I hear - but I think the US setting up a no-fly zone in Syria is merely a pipe dream.
A no-fly zone is not merely a matter of declaration. Establishing a no-fly zone means setting up a continuous CAP (Combat Air Patrol).


That requires an entire fighter wing right there on station.
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Old 10-25-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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Or is it just conspiracy and tinfoil hat nonsense?
I keep hearing people saying we're on the brink of war like any day now.
What's the deal? I may need to change my plans.
Clinton probably would not have given 20% our uranium reserves to the Russians if she really believes so.

.........or she is just greedy and crazy.
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