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Old 10-25-2016, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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When 75% of the population is overweight/ obese...
No, I don't disagree with the facts. The problem is, stating facts is increasingly viewed as aggression. You're trying to use facts against justice, and that's not where we're headed.

I don't disagree with the facts you presented, I disagree that we could ever use waist measurement as a determination of individual benefit, taxation, etc. in a public system.

A recent study revealed that the average American woman wears size 16-18, and we want to celebrate that!

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Old 10-25-2016, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Austin
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No, I don't disagree with the facts. The problem is, stating facts is increasingly viewed as aggression. [snip]
Facts are "aggression" as is American history.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:46 PM
 
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When 75% of the population is overweight/ obese the cost of healthcare, thus premiums, will continue to soar.

Nearly 10% of the US population has Diabetrs.

People with diagnosed Diabetes incur average medical expenditures of about $13,700 per year.

People with A Diabetes diagnosis have medical expenditures 2.3x higher than people who do not have Diabetes.

Weight control is the #1 best way to prevent Diabetes
The number #1 best way to promote weight control is having individuals bear the expense of their own health care.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:22 PM
 
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That depends on how a public option would be structured.

It could be limited to those with waist sizes in the healthy range. Let the "for the people, by the people" government skim the cream and leave the rest for private insurance.
IMO the obese might pay more in premium, but not excluded. After all the public option is to get more of the country covered, and at a reasonable price. Then we need to incorporate positive incentives, including gym memberships.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:31 PM
 
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More likely savings ( increased profits) would be used to increase shareholder value.

Wage does not matter. It's all about what your wage will buy.

Does it matter if Minimum Wage = $100 if a Big Mac Meal costs $100?
We have broad middle class wage laggers. By taking HC off the backs of business, it would be nice if they could raise their wages voluntarily. I object to a mandated minimum wage.

Either way, if I were King I would provide basic HC at a lower price point than say Obamacare for the middle class. Lower premiums and lower deductibles. Make them happy like with Medicare. Some of this might be made up with the higher wage, some from deficit spending.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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The problem is that we have will be forced to pay for our premiums as well as premiums for others.

So, not only will I'll be paying my premiums, but I'll be subsidizing the same people I'm forced to buy sodas, cigarettes, alcohol and potato chips. I get to buy their vices and their health coverage.
No. You would not. "Public" does not mean paid for by the government. In this case it means the government takes on the role of a private insurance company and it can do that much more cheaply. Private insurance adds about 30% to the cost of health care. The government, as in Medicare, does it at 5-7%.

People who choose to buy the public option would pay their premium without subsidy. Of course when you hit the age of 65, the public option becomes Medicare and the premiums are subsidized and greatly reduced.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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...it means the government takes on the role of a private insurance company and it can do that much more cheaply...
Federal government, that bastion of efficiency and parsimony...
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Old 10-25-2016, 07:09 PM
 
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Federal government, that bastion of efficiency and parsimony...
Your sarcasm aside, Medicare is actually run very efficiently compared to private insurance companies. Do some research.
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Old 10-25-2016, 07:23 PM
 
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No. You would not. "Public" does not mean paid for by the government. In this case it means the government takes on the role of a private insurance company and it can do that much more cheaply. Private insurance adds about 30% to the cost of health care. The government, as in Medicare, does it at 5-7%.

People who choose to buy the public option would pay their premium without subsidy. Of course when you hit the age of 65, the public option becomes Medicare and the premiums are subsidized and greatly reduced.
Don't you think the Medicaids would be rolled into the Public Option?
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Old 10-25-2016, 07:25 PM
 
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Don't you think the Medicaids would be rolled into the Public Option?
Yes, why wouldn't Medicaid (for pay) be the public option?
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