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Well what do you expect when doctors are making $200-$300k/year and hospital and health insurance company executives are making $1mil plus/year, that their product will be cheap? This is why health care should be single payer!!!
As a primary care doc I make about 3% of the total HC costs of my Medicare patients.
***What first world nation has nationalized health care and/or college successfully?*** It hasn't worked well in Canada for health care.
The Left is often looking at the Scandinavian countries as a utopian model to follow. Look at the tax rate workers in Scandinavian countries pay for nationalized health care and free college. Somebody has to pay for it. Look at the well paid pro athletes in these countries, they often move to Monaco or another lower tax country for their residency.
Note Im not for free college (or free health care. Im for payroll tax (Yes first dollar and zero deduction) both employer and employee universal health insurance with a fairly robust deductible (Literally zero until say 2500 individual/ 5000 family has been reached.) The private sector can offer gap insurance for those who want first dollar coverage Think of it as actual insurance against 50,000 dollar bills. No more opacity in pricing. E room doctors in in-network hospitals have to be in- network. Same with Anesthesiologists. If they do not want to participate in networks, that is fine but is is ridiculous to allow surprise bills from in-network institutions.
Our universities are in desperate need of reform and the need for college is completely predictable.
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For single coverage under Silver HMO, I had $1640 per month in Yavapai County AZ, CA was $760 per month. For the guy who is suggesting single payer, how is adding more government into healthcare going to fix this? We just need to vote against any Democrat on the ballot this year.
Something is not right. One person? My wife has serious disease, no subsidies, and her GOLD is $872 in Yavapi.
Single payer IS better, because one, the government doesn't need the overhead or profit margin of private business, and two (and this is the big one), even with insurance, you can still be billed tens of thousands of dollars that you don't have if you do need to go to the hospital, where you pay NOTHING out of pocket with single payer, just add in a 10% National Sales Tax like Canada to fund it, most people would find it cheaper than having to shell out hundreds per month in premiums for private insurance
We can't know the details of any future American single payer plan, or if there will ever be one. I would imagine that it would be means tested. And there would be premiums, co-pays and deductibles. And maybe more taxes.
If the Tea Party crazies hadn't blocked alternate proposals, we might have a sound national system we can all live with....but alas...35% of this country is full of lunatics, many of which are descendants of George Wallace supporters.
Single payer IS better, because one, the government doesn't need the overhead or profit margin of private business, and two (and this is the big one), even with insurance, you can still be billed tens of thousands of dollars that you don't have if you do need to go to the hospital, where you pay NOTHING out of pocket with single payer, just add in a 10% National Sales Tax like Canada to fund it, most people would find it cheaper than having to shell out hundreds per month in premiums for private insurance
Did you ever have to deal with medicare or medicaid?
Every single thing the Republicans warned would go wrong with Obamacare, did go wrong.....
And everything the Democrats told us (lower rates, you can keep your same plan, etc) was not true? Hmmmm ....
Maybe the Ds were right in saying Americans are so stupid they can get away with it.
Stupidity is voting for more of it.
Every single thing the Republicans warned would go wrong with Obamacare, did go wrong..... And everything the Democrats told us (lower rates, you can keep your same plan, etc) was not true
So why is it working in Europe and Israel? I lived there for more than 25 years, and it works very well.
Does it REALLY now? Hmmm...
From an article written 9 years ago:
My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks.
Nor were the problems I identified unique to Canada—they characterized all government-run health-care systems. Consider the recent British controversy over a cancer patient who tried to get an appointment with a specialist, only to have it canceled—48 times. More than 1 million Britons must wait for some type of care, with 200,000 in line for longer than six months. A while back, I toured a public hospital in Washington, D.C., with Tim Evans, a senior fellow at the Centre for the New Europe. The hospital was dark and dingy, but Evans observed that it was cleaner than anything in his native England. In France, the supply of doctors is so limited that during an August 2003 heat wave—when many doctors were on vacation and hospitals were stretched beyond capacity—15,000 elderly citizens died. Across Europe, state-of-the-art drugs aren’t available. And so on.
Would you stop spreading false info about Canada's healthcare system? I already gave my example of dual citizens I knew for years who would drive to Canada ANY time they needed to see a doctor/dentist/optometrist. So it's working for them. And all you say about paying more taxes, if you aren't having to shell out for premiums or out of pocket copays and deductibles, it more than works out in the end
The Canadians who come here for healthcare, are usually part of Canada's top 5%, so they can afford to drop $30-$50k out of pocket, where 95% of people CAN'T!
Dual citizenship yet you live here and use our healthcare services. You might be dead before you get services in Canada.
Why don't you go live in Canada, it sounds like it's more to your liking.
When people are loosing their homes and cannot pay back other debts because of huge medical bills, we all pay for it. When people are dying at 40 from a preventable illness and leaving 3 orphans because they don't have insurance and don't go to doctors, we all paying for their needs. When people became disable because a simple flu gets complicated, we all pay for it.
So your liberty is hitting my liberty not to pay more taxes.
Just Stop. My elderly mother depends on Medicare and it doesn't take care of much. Of course she is shut out by the other government healthcare program meant only for deadbeats because she worked. And with all her medical issues and bills you know what's also killing her. Her real estate taxes.
I've been dealing with the mess for years and let me tell you, government healthcare is NOT the answer. It's so convoluted you need a full time secretary to deal with the paperwork for very little in return. It's a fricken nightmare.
So just stop.
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