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Old 10-31-2016, 02:25 PM
 
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One of my friends on Facebook just posted a letter from her health insurance company in California. She is in her late 20's and has only seen the doctor once this year for an annual check up. The letter states due to increased costs her monthly premium is going from $440/month to $550/month.

When I was in California my plan jumped to $412/month for this year and now will be $515/month for next year. I moved to Florida this year and my plan isn't even being offered next year. Before Obamacare I was paying around $150/month for a great PPO plan.

OBAMACARE IS A COMPLETE FAILURE FOR 90% OF AMERICANS!

 
Old 10-31-2016, 02:27 PM
 
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$500 used to be a FAMILY PLAN with a $2000 deductible right before Obamacare became active... I know because that was my plan...
 
Old 10-31-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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$500 used to be a FAMILY PLAN with a $2000 deductible right before Obamacare became active... I know because that was my plan...
I know it's getting ridiculous! Health insurance premiums are now more expensive than people's property taxes.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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Obamacare is a complete failure even according to my Liberal friend
I knew the honeymoon was over on Saturday when we had the decidedly liberal NPR comedy show "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" on and they made about five straight jokes about Obamacare. I went and TRANSCRIBED IT (starts around 4:53).

MIKE PESCA
Next week people covered by Obamacare will see their premium price go up an average of 22%. The old levels were silver, gold, and platinum... so maybe they need to introduce some lower price points like asphalt, cool ranch, and dirt.

Dirt's not actually just the name of the insurance, that's the ACTUAL insurance plan, 'rub some dirt on it.' Give the doctor a scoop or two, that's his co-pay.

Or maybe they'll go the ESPN way. There's Obamacare, Obamacare 2, Obamacare Deportes, Obamacare Classic. It's just throwback medicine, leaches and opium.


FAITH SALIE
It just occurs to me, the other day in my hall in my apartment building in New York City of course, this neighbor of mine walks by with a t-shirt that says, "I Like Obamacare." Sorry, I have no joke, that's just a lonely t-shirt.


P.J. O'ROURKE
That just goes to show that Obamacare doesn't give adequate mental health coverage


MIKE PESCA
I'm not saying the insurance isn't good but when they talk about coverage they literally just mean that t-shirt.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 03:39 PM
 
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Obamacare is a stop gap until single payer.

There are a few options:

Let the poor and people with pre existing conditions not have coverage. The middle class avoiding going to the doctor and getting treatment because of deductibles and co pays.

Let them have coverage.


One costs more, the other costs less. Yes they can go to the ER and get stabilized and released but that isn't care. They don't treat you at the ER and you don't get treatment in most cases without cash or insurance. There is a huge gap as well for Medicaid that traps many in the middle class that made or have more than the few k in savings where medicaid cuts off. The actual threshold is pathetically low.

What we need is a single payer option for everyone. We can easily afford to shore up social security and have universal coverage at home. We just have to stop forking over trillions in killing third world residents for Halliburton and Daddy revenge.

Country as rich as we are, our middle class and below shouldn't be one illness away from bankruptcy with most policies having 6-12k out of pocket maximums per year. Much less deductibles of several thousand dollars which keep people from getting regykar care to begin with.

We can afford it, the question is what is your priority? Do you want to wage war or continue irresponsible tax cuts over say giving people adequate care here? What would Jesus do? Somehow I doubt it would be more penis shaped bullets and bombs or tax cuts for people that already pay a lower actual rate than the middle class.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 03:59 PM
 
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One of my friends on Facebook just posted a letter from her health insurance company in California. She is in her late 20's and has only seen the doctor once this year for an annual check up. The letter states due to increased costs her monthly premium is going from $440/month to $550/month.

When I was in California my plan jumped to $412/month for this year and now will be $515/month for next year. I moved to Florida this year and my plan isn't even being offered next year. Before Obamacare I was paying around $150/month for a great PPO plan.

OBAMACARE IS A COMPLETE FAILURE FOR 90% OF AMERICANS!
Well, if BMW335xi's friend says it, it must be true!
 
Old 10-31-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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Obamacare is a stop gap until single payer.

There are a few options:

Let the poor and people with pre existing conditions not have coverage. The middle class avoiding going to the doctor and getting treatment because of deductibles and co pays.

Let them have coverage.


One costs more, the other costs less. Yes they can go to the ER and get stabilized and released but that isn't care. They don't treat you at the ER and you don't get treatment in most cases without cash or insurance. There is a huge gap as well for Medicaid that traps many in the middle class that made or have more than the few k in savings where medicaid cuts off. The actual threshold is pathetically low.

What we need is a single payer option for everyone. We can easily afford to shore up social security and have universal coverage at home. We just have to stop forking over trillions in killing third world residents for Halliburton and Daddy revenge.

Country as rich as we are, our middle class and below shouldn't be one illness away from bankruptcy with most policies having 6-12k out of pocket maximums per year. Much less deductibles of several thousand dollars which keep people from getting regykar care to begin with.

We can afford it, the question is what is your priority? Do you want to wage war or continue irresponsible tax cuts over say giving people adequate care here? What would Jesus do? Somehow I doubt it would be more penis shaped bullets and bombs or tax cuts for people that already pay a lower actual rate than the middle class.

Great post.

Until someone proposes a different solution that provides care for pre-existing conditions, I am not very sympathetic to the argument that the ACA needs to be thrown out. Perhaps there need to be some changes that make it more affordable, but throwing it out will mean people with pre-existing conditions are uncovered.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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...throwing it out will mean people with pre-existing conditions are uncovered...
The pre-existing conditions thing is the best part. It means I can go without insurance for as long as I want and then if I need it I just sign up and then drop it afterward.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 04:04 PM
 
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Well, if BMW335xi's friend says it, it must be true!


and my conservative friend's insurance only went up by $1.50 every paycheck and her company is calling it "ACA compliance cost"
 
Old 10-31-2016, 04:06 PM
 
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The pre-existing conditions thing is the best part. It means I can go without insurance for as long as I want and then if I need it I just sign up and then drop it afterward.
When you force people to get it people are "HERP DERP GUBERMENT FORCES US TO BUY INSURANCE!"

Pretty easy to sit there and nit pick things without actually trying to solve the problem.
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