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Old 10-31-2016, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If the insurance companies cannot offer fair rates in a world where they cannot deny the sick coverage, then we need single payer. Simple as that.

 
Old 10-31-2016, 05:54 PM
 
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Either have free universal healthcare and pay for it like other countries with a national sales tax or get rid of it and go back to what we used to have but try to push for no borders and some slight modifications to protect people more. What we have now is a complete mess for 90% of the population.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Either have free universal healthcare and pay for it like other countries with a national sales tax or get rid of it and go back to what we used to have but try to push for no borders and some slight modifications to protect people more. What we have now is a complete mess for 90% of the population.
We can only count on Democrats for either of your scenarios. Republicans would do jack, just like they did for decades while our healthcare situation got worse.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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Years later and we are still waiting on whats going to replace it.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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We can only count on Democrats for either of your scenarios. Republicans would do jack, just like they did for decades while our healthcare situation got worse.
But it's the free market which will lower costs and solve all of our problems, remember?
 
Old 10-31-2016, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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But it's the free market which will lower costs and solve all of our problems, remember?
Ugh Duz!!
 
Old 10-31-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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We can only count on Democrats for either of your scenarios. Republicans would do jack, just like they did for decades while our healthcare situation got worse.
Trump has been advocating for the second option of no borders with some protections.

Democrats are in fantasy land because they refuse to create a national sales tax because they have been the strongest opponents of a fair tax system because they view sales tax as a tax on the poor, but it's the only way to pay for universal healthcare. Taxing the rich more won't cut it.

We are better off with what we had before Obamacare. Health insurance is more expensive than property taxes for crying out loud now. Prescriptions are through the roof and how on earth would someone paying $500/month pay for their 20-30% coinsurance if they actually got sick. It's a crazy system that needs to be torn down and start from scratch. Oh and businesses now are only offering part time on many low level jobs in order to prevent having to offer health insurance. It's a horrible, broken, failed, miserable system.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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But it's the free market which will lower costs and solve all of our problems, remember?
No no, it's big daddy government which will lower costs and solve all of our problems.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Trump has been advocating for the second option of no borders with some protections.

Democrats are in fantasy land because they refuse to create a national sales tax because they have been the strongest opponents of a fair tax system because they view sales tax as a tax on the poor, but it's the only way to pay for universal healthcare. Taxing the rich more won't cut it.

We are better off with what we had before Obamacare. Health insurance is more expensive than property taxes for crying out loud now. Prescriptions are through the roof and how on earth would someone paying $500/month pay for their 20-30% coinsurance if they actually got sick. It's a crazy system that needs to be torn down and start from scratch. Oh and businesses now are only offering part time on many low level jobs in order to prevent having to offer health insurance. It's a horrible, broken, failed, miserable system.
Our old system allowed insurance companies to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions. Absolutely never, ever again.
 
Old 10-31-2016, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Our old system allowed insurance companies to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions. Absolutely never, ever again.
Yes, and I can't buy flood insurance in the middle of a hurricane.

Of course most people with pre-existing conditions could get insurance through their employer long before Obamacare. My insurance is 250 a month for myself with a heart condition and my diabetic wife and we both pushing 60.
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