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Will jobs return, sure they can. Not all but some. I don't think we will see actual manual labor jobs return, but it would be nice to see some of the programming, design and engineering jobs return. Also, it would be great to see new plants even if automated (they still need plenty of skilled tradesmen to keep them running) being built here instead of abroad.
Will our country ever have the prosperity it once had , with a strong middle class as it did in the late 50's, highly doubtful. It would be nice to see us now slide further down hill though.
A superpower (if we are still considered that) can not sustain itself on burger flipping and paper pushing jobs alone.
Will jobs return, sure they can. Not all but some. I don't think we will see actual manual labor jobs return, but it would be nice to see some of the programming, design and engineering jobs return. Also, it would be great to see new plants even if automated (they still need plenty of skilled tradesmen to keep them running) being built here instead of abroad.
That's already been happening. But most people don't realize that because they aren't going online to read trade magazines. They are reading headlines with articles that contain someone else's interpretation of economic trends.
That's already been happening. But most people don't realize that because they aren't going online to read trade magazines. They are reading headlines with articles that contain someone else's interpretation of economic trends.
Well, I'm in the business (automotive) and still see it happening. There isn't quite the push to offshore as much as before but entire segments of E&D work are no longer here. I know all our carpet, sound insulators, and some other commodities are E&D'd in MX and China. Many of our tools (molds) are designed and assembled in China.
Robots won't be making purchase of the products they produce and neither will the people whose jobs have been replaced by robotics ... Henry Ford knew this, that is why he built a product his labor force could afford.
The U.S. doesn't actually build anything. We are the great assemblers of manufactured products made by other countries. Therefore those robotic parts will only see assembly lines where machines will build machines, only human that needs to be present is the 'one' to push the button ... (didn't read the article, don't need to, to know how this plays out in reality)
Here's a tid bit of trivia for you old enough to get it and those young enough to maybe understand it. America use to be the leader in cotton and cotton made products. In the 60's I remember seeing t.v. commercials that said, buy .... say Fruit of the Loom, made from American Cotton is just one of several where as the slogan, made in America seem to mean something.
Several years back I began to wonder why I never saw those commercials any more. Come to find out, the U.S. now imports its cotton, from China whose main export is ... Cotton.
Any time one sees a made in America slogan commercial now, with a bit of research one will find out that the parts for the Ford truck are actually 'manufactured' in another country ... assembled in the U.S. So that made in America really doesn't mean squat.
Even our military armory and armor, (that which pulled us out of the depression, manufactured in America to create jobs) are now contracted out over seas ... America is but the Great Assemblers which require fewer jobs in the job market place.
President-elect Trump has said he will bring back our manufacturing jobs from China and Mexico. When does that happen and how many is he going to bring back?
It is an absurd position that no sane person thinks is real.
The only way to make American manufacturing workers competitive with many workers in other much poorer nations would be to absolutely devastate the income of American workers, repeal all environmental and worker safety protections.
Basically their working conditions and environmental controls would have to resemble the deplorable conditions found in much poorer nations, and even then because of automation there is no way to get the same number of jobs back.
And even those extreme measures, that aren't going to get enacted, may not be enough.
So I refuse to believe that adults believe that all that was holding back manufacturing in this nation was "one" man.
This is a fantasy and fiction that only children could believe.
I mean do Trump voters really believe this fiction?
That all its gonna take is "Trump". A man who was born wealthy, went bankrupt multiple times, gets into petty squabbles, is a bully, who uses foreign workers, uses foreign materials, etc.
I know I know he was a private citizen way back then in 2015 so his philosophy was f the American worker, but now, now that he is President, his whole adult life filled with actions of screwing over and not caring about American workers is now turned around. LOL
Seriously, all he is gonna do is bluster and talk tough about jobs, but the basic realities aren't gonna change.
Instead if Trump supporters are serious about wages and jobs, which I don't think most are, what they really want is for Trump to "signal" and carry out an anti- other American citizen program targeting certain groups they hate.
But if they really are serious about this stuff then we "strengthen the jobs we have now and make them pay better now".
Manufacturing jobs originally didn't pay well until we made them pay well as a society. We can do the same for the jobs we have
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It is an absurd position that no sane person thinks is real.
The only way to make American manufacturing workers competitive with many workers in other much poorer nations would be to absolutely devastate the income of American workers, repeal all environmental and worker safety protections.
Basically their working conditions and environmental controls would have to resemble the deplorable conditions found in much poorer nations, and even then because of automation there is no way to get the same number of jobs back.
And even those extreme measures, that aren't going to get enacted, may not be enough.
So I refuse to believe that adults believe that all that was holding back manufacturing in this nation was "one" man.
This is a fantasy and fiction that only children could believe.
I mean do Trump voters really believe this fiction?
That all its gonna take is "Trump". A man who was born wealthy, went bankrupt multiple times, gets into petty squabbles, is a bully, who uses foreign workers, uses foreign materials, etc.
I know I know he was a private citizen way back then in 2015 so his philosophy was f the American worker, but now, now that he is President, his whole adult life filled with actions of screwing over and not caring about American workers is now turned around. LOL
Seriously, all he is gonna do is bluster and talk tough about jobs, but the basic realities aren't gonna change.
Instead if Trump supporters are serious about wages and jobs, which I don't think most are, what they really want is for Trump to "signal" and carry out an anti- other American citizen program targeting certain groups they hate.
But if they really are serious about this stuff then we "strengthen the jobs we have now and make them pay better now".
Manufacturing jobs originally didn't pay well until we made them pay well as a society. We can do the same for the jobs we have
We might be able to work for a little bit more, since the freight wouldn't have to be shipped across the ocean, but it would still be peanuts
We might be able to work for a little bit more, since the freight wouldn't have to be shipped across the ocean, but it would still be peanuts
Exactly, so it's bs. That cannot happen.
But Trump with his cabinet appointments is already signaling he isn't going to do a damn thing for American workers.
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