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Old 11-12-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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Completely dismantling Obamacare is expected to face hurdles.
President-elect Trump has two options for that: He’d need 60 votes in the Senate to pass a repeal.
Or, he’d have to use the Senate’s Budget Reconciliation Process, which only requires 51 votes.
How Trump’s plan to dismantle Obamacare might affect RI | WPRI 12 Eyewitness News


With a complete repeal needing at least 9 Democrat or Independent

votes, that is unlikely unless a new bill contains enough to satisfy

that many non-Republican senators.



The budget reconciliation requirement is 51 senators.


Question:

Is there at least 1 "liberally-minded" GOP senator ?
yes. Susan Collins. She has a record of not caring what

her party thinks, and not caving to pressure.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:43 PM
 
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This Republican Senator Could Spell Doom for the Obamacare Repeal Movement.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1197...patible-repeal
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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RCP has 52 in the Senate.

Also, we are going to see a re-emergence of Blue Dog Dems after what happened in the election and because some are up for reelection in red states.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:49 PM
 
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RCP has 52 in the Senate.

Also, we are going to see a re-emergence of Blue Dog Dems after what happened in the election and because some are up for reelection in red states.
This. A number of dems who will otherwise lose their reelection bid will cross the isle. They knew it was a crap bill when they voted for it. Now, they can join the majority and admit their mistakes.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:50 PM
 
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RCP has 52 in the Senate.
51.

Sanders and King are Independents, King is from Maine,
and pro-ACA.

Thus, Collins or any other GOP moderate can stop changes
they don't like.
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Old 11-12-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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Joe Manchin (D-WV) could easily make up for Collins' dissent (if she chooses to do so). Manchin is up for reelection in 2018 in heavily red West Virginia.
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Old 11-12-2016, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Dems used reconciliation to pass Obamacare, the GOP can use reconciliation to repeal it -- no filibuster-proof majority needed. Also, there will be 52 GOP Senate members. (The Louisiana Senate race remains unsettled but it's a runoff between 2 Republicans.) So it will take at least 3 GOP defectors since bringing it down to a 50-50 tie still gives the GOP the tiebreaker via Pence. Even if the opposition manages to find 3 GOP defectors, they'll also have to hold every Democrat in line too, which won't be easy with a lot of vulnerable senators like Tester, Heitcamp, McCaskill, Donnelly, Brown, and Manchin up for re-election in 2018.
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Old 11-12-2016, 02:43 PM
 
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so this is the best America can do ?

keep changing the healthcare system every 2-4 years ?

doesn't make much sense, mechanically speaking.
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Old 11-12-2016, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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so this is the best America can do ?

keep changing the healthcare system every 2-4 years ?

doesn't make much sense, mechanically speaking.
There's another solution: get it right next time so we won't have to scrap it and start all over again every 2 to 4 years.
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Old 11-12-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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IMHO - the optimal policy is to get Government entirely out of health care - no regulation - no licensing (to kill) - no limited liability.

Physicians and pharmaceutical companies should be unregulated.
You do harm - criminally - you go to jail. You do harm accidentally - you pay damages, not penalties.
No malpractice suits - nothing more complicated than satisfaction guaranteed of your money back... and nothing more.

Cut out the hordes of parasitical skimmers who rob the patient and the physician. End the bureaucracy and administrative bloat and insane record keeping.

Remember, no one has a RIGHT to healthcare when government criminalizes the unlicensed practice. It has become an expensive PRIVILEGE. That must end ASAP.
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