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Old 11-18-2016, 02:18 PM
 
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Mexico serves as an example of what USA's future will look like if liberals were to ever succeed in eliminating the US constitution!

I am sad for Mexico - it could be great, on it's own, if could eliminate corruption.

OP - get you own 'Trump' , and 'Make Mexico Great Again' (fix your county from within). BTW, in a couple of years, when Trump is done 'fixing' things here, maybe ya'll can 'write him in' on your next election to come fix Mexico.
It all went to poop when the people of Mexico had their guns confiscated and became victims of their governments and cartels.
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Old 11-18-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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It all went to poop when the people of Mexico had their guns confiscated and became victims of their governments and cartels.
The United States is the provider of the weapons used by Mexican cartels.

They do, however, purchase a more reliable assault rifle model from Russia. Apparently Russia makes a more durable assault rifle of one model or another that jams less than the American version.

Either which way, Mexico's national security has been a disaster that is only growing worse. It is breaking apart as a nation, such that the federal government no longer rules in many areas.

You might be interested to learn that Americans such as yourself are the reason why the cartels have money and guns in the first place.

I have no idea why the national politics of the Americas is so completely uncovered by our media. It directly affects us.
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Old 11-18-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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The United States is the provider of the weapons used by Mexican cartels.
Under Obama.
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Old 11-18-2016, 02:52 PM
 
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Under Obama.
No, not because of Obama.

The rise began with the War On Drugs.

I'm not particularly interested in placing blame, but we do need too recognize that we are responsible for much of Mexico's crime.
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Old 11-18-2016, 03:02 PM
 
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Hello friends I am a Spanish immigrant who from childhood came to Mexico with my family expecting good opportunities which I have found in this country.

I am sometimes surprised by the level of comments I have read. Mexico is a thriving country and just as the films show dangerous neighborhoods, it also has industrialized, rich and developed regions, not for something we are power in Latin America.

Undoubtedly, Trump's policies make us very nervous, I lost about 5% of my savings on the stock market because of the volatility and it hurts a lot. In the same way the weight has been very affected. I know that the US economy is much bigger than Mexico's and it's a fight between an ant and a mouse.

Trump's plans are leading Mexico to a strong economic crisis. I know and maybe I am one of the few people living in this country who is aware that it is not Trump's fault but corruption in this government.

Mexico has not been interested in its people and the easiest way out is to encourage emigration to the US because there is no employment for all here.


The question of the wall is defensible and valid since the USA can do what it wants within its territory, but to force Mexico to pay it is laughable.

The American system is complex and whether we want to or not, we need illegal workers because thanks to their low salaries, even below those established by law, companies can be profitable and therefore hire them.

A total deportation of illegal, would be hard for the United States. Company costs would rise and the margin would fall and perhaps have to lay off other legal employees to survive.

Many companies are coming to Mexico to reduce their labor costs. Have you noticed that the American auto industry is under threat? Asian cars are eating the American market. Ford and the others must compete with good prices and that is why they bring their plants to Mexico.

USA like any other developed country in the world, should focus on services and not cheap labor, that leave it to Mexico.

Finally if Trump decides to return to the USA to all its industry, as I said at the beginning their costs will rise a lot and they will be less competitive, in addition there will be a strong unemployment in Mexico .... and guess what?

Again there will be a huge exodus of people who will seek to work there illegally. Read statistics, gentlemen, read books, learn macroeconomics, not only follow the headlines of a demagogue like Trump who has ****ed the Americans defrauding students with their universities, buying metals from China, not paying taxes ...

And not only that, many will also join the drug trade and there will be more problems and more violence and for that factor many people will want to flee to the USA.

I know that Mexico is an uncomfortable country for Americans, that the government of Mexico is corrupt. I just hope that for the first time in life the Mexicans will come together and we will reach an agreement that will benefit both of them and not be an agreement that will punish us.
Here's where you go wrong. Cheap, illegal labor only benefits the greedy employers who hire them while the rest of us get the shaft in so many ways.
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Old 11-18-2016, 03:04 PM
 
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The United States is the provider of the weapons used by Mexican cartels.
They do, however, purchase a more reliable assault rifle model from Russia. Apparently Russia makes a more durable assault rifle of one model or another that jams less than the American version.
Either which way, Mexico's national security has been a disaster that is only growing worse. It is breaking apart as a nation, such that the federal government no longer rules in many areas.
You might be interested to learn that Americans such as yourself are the reason why the cartels have money and guns in the first place.
I have no idea why the national politics of the Americas is so completely uncovered by our media. It directly affects us.
So are you saying the cartels are stupid for buying guns from USA when they can get 'more reliable' guns from Russia ?

Either way, 'Mexico's national security has been a disaster' is exactly the situation that has been avoided here (with forethought by the founders) by the 2nd amendment -, making SURE that free peaceable citizens are NOT precluded from POSSESSING AND BEARING firearms for their own defense . . . .
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Old 11-18-2016, 03:08 PM
 
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I totally agree with you.

- If Mexico wants a prerrogative from US, Mexico should start working very hard on protecting their bourders. In this right moment in Mexico there are thousands of haitians, africans and people from many nationalities waiting to get a "help" from USA, there is why they are in Tijuana. Even Mexico gives an "humanitarian visa" for all people that wants to cross the whole country from Centro América up to the Rio Grande, with no issues. The only condition is to no stay in Mexico for living, but for leaving Mexico and go to USA. This is not serious.

- Trump most have to see Mexico as their partner, because USA also get benefits from Mexico. I know that the commercial balance favour USA but...this is better than empowering a country like China.


- And a trick question: do you really think that deporting all illegal aliens, will american people start working cleansing restrooms, cutting oranges, picking cotton, and a large etcetera? Some latinos would do it, but whites, blacks....

Who do you think were doing most of those blue-collared jobs for a fair wage before millions of cheap, illegals flooded our border? The ole crop picking argument doesn't fly either. Only 2% of illegals are picking crops and for those jobs there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers. It's not a career job for Americans and is only seasonal work.
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Old 11-18-2016, 03:13 PM
 
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I've always sort of questioned when we did NAFTA and started sending all of our business to China and other countries, why we didn't work more with Mexico and other south of our border countries? I think it would have made more sense to help those southern countries along rather than to fund China.

Our country still needs more than just service jobs. We have all kinds of people. Some people just don't have the aptitude to work a service job. Illegals are just taking jobs that US citizens don't want. Many of the jobs in the construction and related trades are desirable. It costs more to hire a US citizen because we have to pay taxes and medical and insure and workers need to bonded and licensed.

What a crock! Americans were already doing those jobs for a fair wage before millions of cheap, illegals flooded our border. No business has the legal right to hire them just because paying an American is more costly. We have immigration and labor laws you know.
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Old 11-18-2016, 03:42 PM
 
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"I've always sort of questioned when we did NAFTA and started sending all of our business to China and other countries, why we didn't work more with Mexico and other south of our border countries? I think it would have made more sense to help those southern countries along rather than to fund China.

Our country still needs more than just service jobs. We have all kinds of people. Some people just don't have the aptitude to work a service job. Illegals aren't just taking jobs that US citizens don't want. Many of the jobs in the construction and related trades are desirable. It costs more to hire a US citizen because we have to pay taxes and medical and insure and workers need to bonded and licensed."

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What a crock! Americans were already doing those jobs for a fair wage before millions of cheap, illegals flooded our border. No business has the legal right to hire them just because paying an American is more costly. We have immigration and labor laws you know.
I made a significant typo. It should have read "AREN'T".

I agree with you.
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Old 11-18-2016, 03:45 PM
 
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If ya competing againsty people who can't even speak English for a job ya need to look in the mirror.
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