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Old 11-29-2016, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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So this is what Republicans wanted? To end Medicare and end health coverage and send everyone out to try to buy a policy again? I mean - congratulations if that's what they wanted.
Actually it's a bipartisan plan put forth by Senator John Breaux (D) in 1998 during the Clinton Administration.

The major component of Chairman Breaux’s proposal was the creation of a premium support system modeled on the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). Under this system, Medicare beneficiaries would be allowed to select health insurance coverage from a menu of private managed care plans or opt for the traditional fee-for-service plan. Managed care organizations would offer “standard option” as well as “high option” plans; for most seniors, premium support would be set at about 88 percent of the standard plan—a cost ultimately determined by the market. Those beneficiaries willing to incur the extra cost could alternatively purchase an expanded benefit package.

See page 3.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_...rtisan_353.pdf
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:22 PM
 
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The law is problematic but there are reasons the requirement was there. When the insurance industry and conservative leaders were looking for a way to prevent socialized medicine they came up with the mandate. It was presented by Newt back in 93. Its long been thought of as the only way to insure everyone without single payer.

ACA failed. Time to move on.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:22 PM
 
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You shouldn't celebrate because the replacement is going to be equally bad, since everyone on both sides is saying they're going to keep the "pre-existing conditions" stipulation and probably they'll try to reconstruct it "except better" (which means worse).
Exactly none of the new plans fix the problems either.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:24 PM
 
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I claimed nothing. To say that it was designed to fail is just excuse making for those who refused to do the right thing up front.

There is no way Obama sat around and thought......"I'm going to do something so messed up that it's going to fail and then the Republican's are going to create what I really wanted".

That is what you are saying.......It's pretty stupid either way.
Obama didn't design it to fail, he didn't really design it at all... he handed it off to the insurance companies to write and had his staff look over it... unfortunately Obama is an idiot, cause I knew on day one it would fail... it made zero accounting sense... Obama proved to be inept in these areas... unfortunately he was really good at killing American energy industry...
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:25 PM
 
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such bs. so many false lying alarmist threads tonight by leftists

Shocker: Republicans May Not Repeal Obamacare

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngood.../#7651230e377b

"Think about the people with Obamacare insurance who have cancer and need chemotherapy. Think of the patients with brain tumors who need an MRI scan. Think of all the patients at risk of heart attacks and strokes who need surgery. The national news media would have a field day training their cameras on all the victims of Republican heartlessness.

This of course will never happen. Even if congressional Republicans were heartless enough to do it, Donald Trump is not. As recently as last Sunday he told Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes that there would be no repeal without replacement. And there will be no gap between repeal and replacement – not even a single day."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5p7LZ0U6GE
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:28 PM
 
Location: louisville
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Obama didn't design it to fail, he didn't really design it at all... he handed it off to the insurance companies to write and had his staff look over it... unfortunately Obama is an idiot, cause I knew on day one it would fail... it made zero accounting sense... Obama proved to be inept in these areas... unfortunately he was really good at killing American energy industry...
Incorrect. Parts were outlined in a cbo white paper in 07. Mandates were thought of many years prior. Pre-existing was expanded from HIPAA in 96 to remove the 6 month gap clause and individual plan clause.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:30 PM
 
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No one knows yet. Personally I think we should have a multi-priced system, based on risk and overall health of those seeking insurance. Just like auto insurance has high risk pools.
They do adjust obamacare based on age location and smoking but yes other riskfactors are hidden.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:32 PM
 
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I never argued it wasn't. I've never argued that. I don't know why people make up new arguments to argue and then pretend they are making a point.

Mine is NOT a partisan argument.......that is the problem.
You did say he never supported a public option which is false.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:43 PM
 
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He said different things to different people in private meetings. He said what he thought the people in those meetings wanted to hear whether or not it was something completely different than he said the day before. It means nothing.

What he might or might not have told some people in private is worthless. It is NOT what he did.
He campaigned on it and his original proposals included it. It was killed in committee.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:47 PM
 
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And here is more on dismantling Medicare:

Trump's choice for HHS secretary sends the clearest signal yet that Medicaid and Medicare may also be on the table.

By tapping the tea party Republican as his top health care official, President-elect Donald Trump sends a strong signal he may look beyond repealing and replacing Obamacare to try to scale back Medicare and Medicaid, popular entitlements that cover roughly 130 million people, many of whom are sick, poor and vulnerable. And that’s a turnabout from Trump’s campaign pledge — still on his campaign website — that he would leave Medicare untouched.

A close ally of Speaker Paul Ryan and his successor as House Budget Committee chairman, Price also supports privatizing Medicare so that seniors would receive fixed dollar amounts to buy coverage — an approach that Democrats lambaste as a voucher system that would gut a 50-year-old social contract and shift a growing share of health care costs onto seniors.


Tom Price's radically conservative vision for American health care - POLITICO
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