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As I said, I don't think the issue is being advocated for enough. What I'm saying in regards to this topic is that the OP is making an invalid point. The issue is not talked about enough but when it is, most liberals would agree that we should help refugees and America's homeless.
Your missing the point. Liberals do "help" the homeless. There type of "help" is why most homeless hate liberals. Most of the homeless I talk to and chat with every day (I have personal friendships with about a dozen homeless people, right now in my neighborhood) voted for Trump if they were able to vote. (Some don't have identification.)
You are preaching to the choir, perhaps you don't get to the outer boroughs very often.
If liberals are so supportive of the American homeless, why aren't you rioting, destroying property and assaulting the police on behalf of the American homeless rights like you do for illegal refugees?
P-l-e-a-s-e, I lived in Liberal land couldn't wait to get out! It was a nightmare!
your op was worded in a way that serious discussion was not what your were looking for. your second post leaves no doubt.
You are preaching to the choir, perhaps you don't get to the outer boroughs very often.
If liberals are so supportive of the American homeless, why aren't you rioting, destroying property and assaulting the police on behalf of the American homeless rights like you do for illegal refugees?
P-l-e-a-s-e, I lived in Liberal land couldn't wait to get out! It was a nightmare!
Sorry, I don't believe in nonsensical false dichotomies. You truly think the solution to fighting for the homeless is to go out and riot in the streets? Battling homelessness is a political fight combined with volunteer outreach. Last time I checked, the liberals are the ones going outside in the street to meet with the homeless while the republicans complain about them from home.
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I was homeless for three years. I personally know about a hundred homeless people by first name and street name and interact with them every day. Ive been to 3 different third world countries. Everything you are saying is false but I will add this tidbit sense you brought it up. Most homeless shelters don't let homeless men take psych meds or opiates while at the shelter. Others just steal your pills. I knew a man fresh out of the hospital for knee surgery who was denied painkillers by the shelter. He couldn't work and his pain was so severe that he would beg for change so could buy 40 ounces and drink away the literal physical pain.
I knew another man who had sleep apnea and needed a machine to sleep right. The shelter wouldn't allow him to use his machine and he died in his sleep.
Another man who was in his late 60s and had suffered multiple heart attacks. He was not allowed to take his medication that would have saved his life. He had a massive heart attack in the day room and died in front of us. One of his friends freaked out and started screaming so the staff kicked him out and he died of hypothermia on our front porch. They had obituary columns for both of them in the news paper and that's it. No news story here at the liberal ran, liberal funded homeless shelter in the liberal city. Where the young liberals volunteer to serve us food and tell us "smile it could be worse."
Homeless lives don't matter.
I don't see how your experience is a reflection of liberals but rather poor funding due to homeless people having no political power. The liberals who would fight for your rights have a hard time as it is and hearing that we are responsible for the horrid conditions of shelters is unfair.
I truly believe homelessness stems mostly from behavioral health issues but it's hard to push for funding these type of programs because council members are more concerned with quality of life issues of voters in their district.
I am not convinced being homeless in NYC is far worse than poverty in a third world country. That is pretty much delusion.
Sorry, I don't believe in nonsensical false dichotomies. You truly think the solution to fighting for the homeless is to go out and riot in the streets? Battling homelessness is a political fight combined with volunteer outreach. Last time I checked, the liberals are the ones going outside in the street to meet with the homeless while the republicans complain about them from home.
I don't see how your experience is a reflection of liberals but rather poor funding due to homeless people having no political power. The liberals who would fight for your rights have a hard time as it is and hearing that we are responsible for the horrid conditions of shelters is unfair.
I truly believe homelessness stems mostly from behavioral health issues but it's hard to push for funding these type of programs because council members are more concerned with quality of life issues of voters in their district.
I am not convinced being homeless in NYC is far worse than poverty in a third world country. That is pretty much delusion.
Whatever you want to believe. I lived it and you walk past these people and don't even talk to them, typical liberal. These homeless shelters are VERY WELL funded and ALL of the staff and contributors are liberals. If you had ever stayed there you would know this. Funding isn't the issue, the issue is 90% of people in power at these institutions are EVIL PEOPLE who do EVIL THINGS. You are so clueless. I stayed at a homeless shelter where the head guy in charge owned 3 brand new luxury cars and wore designer clothes and diamond rings and had Obama bumper stickers on his car and he was probably the most evil man I have ever met in my life. His life consisted of torturing poor people for his own personal enjoyment and getting paid a 6 figure salary to so it.
Your missing the point. Liberals do "help" the homeless. There type of "help" is why most homeless hate liberals. Most of the homeless I talk to and chat with every day (I have personal friendships with about a dozen homeless people, right now in my neighborhood) voted for Trump if they were able to vote. (Some don't have identification.)
No, I'm not missing your point. You're missing mine. Our points aren't really in conflict. My point is largely with the principles of liberals and how the accusation being made by the OP isn't necessarily accurate. Fact is, most liberals are doing nothing about either issue. But they'd agree they both need similar solutions, which the OP is imply that liberals believe the opposite.
As I said, I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. But what you're saying has little to do with what I'm trying to get the OP to understand.
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Why do liberals embrace refugees, but turn a blind eye to the American homeless?
Shouldn't the question really be why do Conservatives have no problem voting for corporate welfare programs while recoiling in horror at the mere idea of helping the homeless while screaming SOCIALISM! ?
Whatever you want to believe. I lived it and you walk past these people and don't even talk to them, typical liberal. These homeless shelters are VERY WELL funded and ALL of the staff and contributors are liberals. If you had ever stayed there you would know this. Funding isn't the issue, the issue is 90% of people in power at these institutions are EVIL PEOPLE who do EVIL THINGS. You are so clueless. I stayed at a homeless shelter where the head guy in charge owned 3 brand new luxury cars and wore designer clothes and diamond rings and had Obama bumper stickers on his car and he was probably the most evil man I have ever met in my life. His life consisted of torturing poor people for his own personal enjoyment and getting paid a 6 figure salary to so it.
So by your logic all liberals are evil because of an anecdotal experience where you perceived the non-profit executive director as personally torturing the homeless while collecting a six figure paycheck. Right....
No one is going to give their shirt off their back because homelessness isn't something society wants to deal with in general. If someone did want to reach out and help you it would most likely be a liberal or religious person.
But hey I have no interest in convincing you otherwise. I'm sure a republican government will be more helpful to you considering they believe in conservative fiscal policies and last time I checked helping the homeless aren't part of their agenda.
because with Homeless Americans you cant be sure which party they will vote for. With illiberal Muslim refugees, it is known that they overwhelmingly vote for the Islamophilic Democrat Party.
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What? Suddenly conservatives give a hoot about homeless people. BWAhahhahahaha pathetic
Lets look at who actually helps more poor people off their feet. Is it the liberal states with more homeless and oddly larger economies? Could it be the less wealthy conservative states with less homeless? http://www.endhomelessness.org/page/...melessness.pdf
Is it that conservatives are heavily focused on creating jobs. What is it again that helps people from becoming homeless? I wonder how long conservatives have been working on making jobs?
Whatever you want to believe. I lived it and you walk past these people and don't even talk to them, typical liberal. These homeless shelters are VERY WELL funded and ALL of the staff and contributors are liberals. If you had ever stayed there you would know this. Funding isn't the issue, the issue is 90% of people in power at these institutions are EVIL PEOPLE who do EVIL THINGS. You are so clueless. I stayed at a homeless shelter where the head guy in charge owned 3 brand new luxury cars and wore designer clothes and diamond rings and had Obama bumper stickers on his car and he was probably the most evil man I have ever met in my life. His life consisted of torturing poor people for his own personal enjoyment and getting paid a 6 figure salary to so it.
You mention all the liberals working in the shelters - what were the conservatives doing? How did they help?
I live in NY and don't know anyone who earns a living working with the homeless, but I do know many who volunteer both their time and money.
It is true that many in NYC who are homeless are mentally ill. Years ago they would have been locked up in institutions. There are also issues with safety at city shelters and many would rather take their chances on the streets than to stay in one.
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Liberal democrats cry:
Oh! we must help these poor hungry refugees from terrorist countries.
They need American taxpayer funds to pay for their food, shelter, welfare, education, and medical care!!!
Well what about Americans, especially American families who are homeless and living in the streets or woods?
Liberals are so hypocritical, they view life through tunnel vision.
How about extending help to the American homeless before taking in the foreign poor?
Where are conservatives on this one ??????
A thread that leans deepy red, and you can barely find a thread on it other than " the homeless problem" in the city forums.
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