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Old 12-13-2016, 03:56 PM
 
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I have given you links countless times. Here is a Swedish after tax calculator you can run through the google website translator:

After Tax Salary calculator in Sweden

Result: Effective tax rate of about 53% for people making $300 000 (plus 23% employer payroll tax)
Actually, it came out to 52%, and includes municipal and county taxes.

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Here is effective tax rates for people making more than $300 000 a year in America:

https://smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes
That only includes federal and state taxes. No municipal and county taxes are included. I asked for the total effective tax rate on Americans who have $300,000 or more in income. The tax in Sweden you're citing above includes ALL taxes, so let's do an apples to apples comparison. Try again.
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Old 12-13-2016, 03:58 PM
 
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Private charities were around LONG The costs are exactly reversed with only 30% of the funding going to those in need when the government administers the programs
That figure initially came from Michael Tanner who wrote a book for CATO, in which he quoted Robert Woodson as having said that "70% of every dollar goes not to the poor but to those who serve the poor" but in a footnote Tanner said: “It is important to note that the 70 percent figure is not solely government administrative overhead. That figure also includes government payments to the nonpoor on behalf of the poor. For example, Medicaid payments go to doctors. Housing subsidies are frequently paid directly to landlords"
In 2013 Michelle Bachman ran around making the same claim about SNAP benefits with bureaucracy consuming 70% of the cost of the program. She apparently got this from Tanner's book but failed to read the footnote. But the reality is that:
In 2013 budget documents submitted to Congress by the Agriculture Department, which manages SNAP, less than 6 percent of the program is spent on administrative costs. Only 166 people manage the $82 billion food-stamp program — many outside Washington — and the budget document says that staff salaries amount to one-third of 1 percent of USDA’s budget for food and nutrition programs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.7036b951fa4e
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while the private charities provide 65% or more of the funding to those in need.
"The average American believes that a charity should spend no more than 23 percent on overhead but that charities actually spend 36.9 cents on the dollar. These were some of the findings in “Where’d My Money Go?,” a survey by Phoenix, Ariz.-based Grey Matter Research & Consulting. One in five Americans, about 21 percent, believe that nonprofits spend 20 to 29 percent of donations on overhead. Some 65 percent believe nonprofits spend less than 50 cents for every dollar on overhead, with 9 percent saying they believe charities generally spend less than 10 cents for every dollar on administrative expenses. About 8 percent believe nonprofits spend more than 80 percent on overhead."

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Not hard to see which is the best option for more effectively meeting needs.
That's true, seems pretty clear that the Government generally does a better job than private charities
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:03 PM
 
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Never said they did, but you cherry pick constantly and are extremely dishonest. First you lie about how the average disposable income in America represents what the typical American makes. Deliberately cut out the OECD quote where it warns about how high inequality in America is so the average is not representative of what Joe Sixpack earns. Then you lie about suicide rates in Scandinavia. It just goes on and on, you constantly lie and it is very dishonest.
Um... Sweden has more billionaires per capita than the US. Want to tell us again about inequality in America? We have a lower rate of billionaires.

And I didn't lie about the suicide rate. I cited TIME Magazine. Should have known better than to believe a MSM Fake News story.
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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The tax is levied by the state - that's why it's called and itemized on property tax bills as State Education Tax - and is remitted to the state, which disburses it to local school districts on the basis of a formula via the School Aid Fund. i.e. the SET paid by a property owner and the local school funding received from the state are different dollars and are calculated differently. So it's a STATE tax not a LOCAL tax.
Does it apply to everyone in the country? No. It's not a federal tax. It's local to only Michigan.
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:10 PM
 
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Actually, it came out to 52%, and includes municipal and county taxes.

That only includes federal and state taxes. No municipal and county taxes are included. I asked for the total effective tax rate on Americans who have $300,000 or more in income. The tax in Sweden you're citing above includes ALL taxes, so let's do an apples to apples comparison. Try again.
All payroll, state, local and federal income taxes are included. Just enter Des Moines, Iowa or someplace else and you'll see the effective taxes on a $300 000 income. The effective tax rate is roughly 31%-36% anywhere in America.

People making $300 000 or more in Sweden pay more than 50% in effective taxes of that income (plus 23% employer payroll tax). In America, its far lower. End of story.
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:22 PM
 
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That figure initially came from Michael Tanner who wrote a book for CATO, in which he quoted Robert Woodson as having said that "70% of every dollar goes not to the poor but to those who serve the poor" but in a footnote Tanner said: “It is important to note that the 70 percent figure is not solely government administrative overhead. That figure also includes government payments to the nonpoor on behalf of the poor. For example, Medicaid payments go to doctors. Housing subsidies are frequently paid directly to landlords"
In 2013 Michelle Bachman ran around making the same claim about SNAP benefits with bureaucracy consuming 70% of the cost of the program. She apparently got this from Tanner's book but failed to read the footnote. But the reality is that:
In 2013 budget documents submitted to Congress by the Agriculture Department, which manages SNAP, less than 6 percent of the program is spent on administrative costs. Only 166 people manage the $82 billion food-stamp program — many outside Washington — and the budget document says that staff salaries amount to one-third of 1 percent of USDA’s budget for food and nutrition programs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.7036b951fa4e
"The average American believes that a charity should spend no more than 23 percent on overhead but that charities actually spend 36.9 cents on the dollar. These were some of the findings in “Where’d My Money Go?,” a survey by Phoenix, Ariz.-based Grey Matter Research & Consulting. One in five Americans, about 21 percent, believe that nonprofits spend 20 to 29 percent of donations on overhead. Some 65 percent believe nonprofits spend less than 50 cents for every dollar on overhead, with 9 percent saying they believe charities generally spend less than 10 cents for every dollar on administrative expenses. About 8 percent believe nonprofits spend more than 80 percent on overhead."

That's true, seems pretty clear that the Government generally does a better job than private charities
That 6% Food Stamp program cost clearly doesn't include the percentage taken by JP Morgan:

Food Stamps: JPMorgan & Banking Industry Profit From Misery - Roosevelt Forward

And if the concern is effective charities, give only to those which have low overhead costs. Simple.
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:26 PM
 
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All payroll, state, local and federal income taxes are included. Just enter Des Moines, Iowa or someplace else and you'll see the effective taxes on a $300 000 income. The effective tax rate is roughly 31%-36% anywhere in America.
The calculator you linked doesn't include county and local taxes in the US which fund our schools. Sweden's local taxes that fund their schools were included in the Swedish tax calculator. The effective tax rate you're stating for America is too low. Try again.

I have the info so I know what it is. You're not going to be able to lie about this.
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:31 PM
 
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And only the employers pay payroll tax in Sweden. The employee doesn't pay it. It doesn't affect their effective tax rate.
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:43 PM
 
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The calculator you linked doesn't include county and local taxes in the US which fund our schools.
Property taxes which are not related to the income can simply be added to the overall effective tax bill on that $300 000 income. It hardly changes. Just add a couple of percent if you want. Its nowhere near the Swedish tax level on such a high income.
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:45 PM
 
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Another five pages of liberals not explaining to me why they don't move to Sweden again. It's a mystery!
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