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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
lol you have absolutely no proof that absent govt schools over half the population wouldn't educate its children.
And how many children are actually educated in govt schools? This is not to be confused with attending one.
Hardy har har, considering that half the population of this country makes less than $27k/yr, how do you fit $15k/yr for private school tuition in that budget? I make $52k/yr and would not be able to afford private school.
In the 70's Manitoba experimented with a temporary guaranteed income scheme funded by the providence and the federal government. Recipients were randomly selected from rural areas whereby recipients recieved a cash bonus of .35, .50 or .70 for every dollar earned. The experiment ceased when it ran out of money.
The Ontario scheme was originally intended to temporarily replace Ontario's works Program and Disability.
It morphed into something bigger in an attempt to remove stigmas associated with welfare. The federal government is not subsidizing the initiative.
Speculation on my part the experiment will come to a halt when Ontario runs out of funding.
Why on Earth would I get a job if I can make $8.25/hr sitting at home playing on my iPad? Is basic income eligibility determined by family income or household income? If it's just family income that would be a huge disincentive to get married.
According to this source, it would indeed penalize marriage.
Hardy har har, considering that half the population of this country makes less than $27k/yr, how do you fit $15k/yr for private school tuition in that budget? I make $52k/yr and would not be able to afford private school.
Have you ever thought that most people would spend or invest that money? So the economy would improve to where more tax revenue would be collected, therefore rates wouldn't have to be jacked too severely
You just stated it won't be enough to live on, then you state it will be invested. Which line are you taking?
lol you have absolutely no proof that absent govt schools over half the population wouldn't educate its children.
And how many children are actually educated in govt schools? This is not to be confused with attending one.
First off, I think it is individual, and is not means tested, it is unconditional. Second, good luck affording a place to live and your other expenses with that money if you don't work. I would still work, that would only cover my rent and car payment
Didn't read the article, eh?
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Hugh Segal, a Conservative political strategist and long-time supporter of the idea, informed that adults between the ages of 18 to 65, who are living below the poverty line in Ontario, will get a basic income of at least $1,320 per month. Disabled citizens will receive $500 more. The basic income will be provided for three years.
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Hardy har har, considering that half the population of this country makes less than $27k/yr, how do you fit $15k/yr for private school tuition in that budget? I make $52k/yr and would not be able to afford private school.
You're also assuming that private tuition in a free economy would be the same as it is now when the state essentially has a monopoly on it.
Good news in my opinion. The amount is $1,320 a month. A not unreasonable amount. I love seeing trials like this, it is the kind of basic research in this that we need.
And make no mistake, massive technological unemployment is coming.
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The Details about the Universal Basic Income Pilot
Hugh Segal, a Conservative political strategist and long-time supporter of the idea, informed that adults between the ages of 18 to 65, who are living below the poverty line in Ontario, will get a basic income of at least $1,320 per month. Disabled citizens will receive $500 more. The basic income will be provided for three years.
And this is happening in a province of Canada or what if I am correct is the equivalent of a state in the USA. Or say, like the state of California, in which metro LA alone has a GDP roughly equal that of the entire wealthy nation of Netherlands.
I applaud this move by the province of Ontario in Canada and Canada itself. They are not waiting to see what LA or Chicago or New York City does or even the Federal Government of the USA but rather moving, or at least experimenting, with a truly progressive concept to positively impact what amount to millions of Canadian lives I suspect.
It is clear to them I suspect that the US nor LA are some shining city upon a hill.
Pimps operate by their mouths, the "game" they "spit" from their lips. So, big corporate America, the evangelists of the free market with no government help, why then do you call upon Daddy Government through your lobbyists to spent billions of US tax payer money to welfare finance an intervention, military or political, for you to enter Central Asia and even (you hope) Russia to start drilling for oil or mining for minerals in those regions? Why not simply rely only on the free market and fair competition rather than needing to wage a government financed propaganda war against other nations politicians?
Apparently the "trickle down effect" (economically) does not work out so well when operating like an empire. The money actually sprints upward rather than trickles down. Ontario is experimenting with waging its own war, a Christian based war, but not in killing people but a war against death, deprivation, and despair in the material realms.
UBI is basically "negative taxation", paid for by taxes.
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