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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
Huh? Not everyone will get $1300/month. The workers who are made poorer and forced to fund the scheme are whom I refer to.
You've not addressed what I said in any meaningful way.
Doesn't UBI mean everyone gets it? That's the way I've heard it described
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Well if say that's the case, regardless many are going to have more than $1300 taken from them in order to for everyone get $1300 back.
Have you ever thought that most people would spend or invest that money? So the economy would improve to where more tax revenue would be collected, therefore rates wouldn't have to be jacked too severely
..lowering poverty, encouraging entrepreneurship, and improving health but also reducing crime, decreasing administrative costs, and raising education awareness...A universal basic income could enable the greatest unleashing of human potential ever seen
So basically the poverty rate would decrease (duh, you are giving money away which increases their income to be over the poverty line)...
Encouraging entrepreneurship (so people will take more risks and create more businesses, I can see the logic in that)...
Improving health (are you saying your socialized government healthcare isn't working?)...
Reducing crime (because they are already stealing $1320 a month)...
Decreasing administrative costs (what administrative costs? I like to say nebulous things too)...
Educational awareness (what is educational awareness?)...
Unleashing human potential (how do I measure that, exactly?)....
and then...
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...between the ages of 18 to 65, who are living below the poverty line in Ontario...
Wait, I thought it was UNIVERSAL... so it actually is only targeting those in the poverty line... oddly it excludes the retired people in the poverty line... so basically the government of Canada thinks, those in poverty will create businesses?? Huh? I wonder if all college students in Canada will be able to collect on the basic income...
I am excited for Ontario... Like I was for Hollande of France... I like to see them put up socialist policies that will blow in their face for the world to see..
Have you ever thought that most people would spend or invest that money? So the economy would improve to where more tax revenue would be collected, therefore rates wouldn't have to be jacked too severely
Yes people should spend their own money in a manner that benefits them and their household.
The end game should not be increased tax revenue, which is their money taken/given to a politician to spend on what the politician wants.
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Yes people should spend their own money in a manner that benefits them and their household.
The end game should not be increased tax revenue, which is their money given to a politician to spend on what the politician wants.
User fees are more costly than taxes to the bulk of the population, wholesale is always cheaper than retail. For example, the avg $15k/yr private school tuition, most do not pay $15k/yr in taxes, and the $200/month toll road, most do not pay $200/month in gas tax. It's like the difference between group insurance and an individual plan, the group plan will always be cheaper
Anyone who has ever worked in a charity organization will tell you that poverty does not stem from the lack of money. I have spent years working to help try to uplift people out of poverty, and I can say with absolute certainty that poverty is not a problem that can be solved by throwing money at it.
The core of the problem with poverty is psychology and life attitude, not money. Give an impoverished person a million dollars and he will end up being impoverished again in no time.
I speak as a life long liberal. Throwing money at it is the lazy way at tackling poverty.
User fees are more costly than taxes to the bulk of the population, wholesale is always cheaper than retail. For example, the avg $15k/yr private school tuition, most do not pay $15k/yr in taxes, and the $200/month toll road, most do not pay $200/month in gas tax. It's like the difference between group insurance and an individual plan, the group plan will always be cheaper
It's called making someone else pay. Im not on board with that no matter how you idealize the outcome.
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It's called making someone else pay. Im not on board with that no matter how you idealize the outcome.
You do realize that without public school, that over half the population would not get a K-12 education, right? That ought to do wonders for the economy
You do realize that without public school, that over half the population would not get a K-12 education, right? That ought to do wonders for the economy
lol you have absolutely no proof that absent govt schools over half the population wouldn't educate its children.
And how many children are actually educated in govt schools? This is not to be confused with attending one.
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