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Hardly, fossil fuel dominate because they can easily be moved, stored and have a high energy content per volume/weight. When you can come up with something that can compete with those characteristics then there time will be gone.
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Meanwhile, Europe surges ahead with renewable energy.
Germany leading the charge with 35 cents per kWh electric rates.
When I'm allowed to take private property that I want by the force of the government, you let me know.
The abuses of eminent domain are obvious in particular for commercial developments. Infrastructure projects whether it's electric, gas , oil, levees, roads and other things of that nature are a whole other ballgame. That infrastructure needs to go somewhere and without eminent domain they simply would not occur.
Zero. And irrelevant. If an oil pipeline did spill on my property, I would have a cause of action and would recover the damages and clean it up. Spills happen. Explosions happen in natural gas. Fueling stations occasionally blow sky high. And a few people will die in fossil-fuel related accidents. ALL WORTH IT so that we may enjoy the magnificence of a modern and technologically advanced society. The damage is worth it, the deaths are worth it, the lives saved and enhanced dwarf the occasional accidents.
And make no mistake about it: the oil from the North Dakota Access Pipeline will not be used for domestic consumption; that [MOD CUT/profanity] will be shipped straight to China.
I can't understand how true American patriots are fine with having our beautiful country ripped up and destroyed in order to strengthen a Communist state. And all so a few oil executives can make billions of dollars.
I've seen other posters claim this too, you are WRONG ! The Bakken oil does NOT go to China, it goes to American refineries. The new pipeline terminates at an oil storage hub in Patoka, Illinios. Other pipelines radiating from Patoka will supply big refining operations, including Phillips 66 in Wood River, Illinois; BP in Whiting, Indiana; and Marathon in Catlettsburg, Kentucky. All domestically produced oil is used here, because we still have to import some foreign oil to meet our demand in the US. The oil we import mostly comes from Mexico, Venezuela, and other oil exporting countries in the western hemisphere. Why? Because it's closer and does not have to be shipped halfway around the world, which makes sense. Most of the Mideastern oil goes to China and Europe, because that oil is closer to them. But all oil is sold at world market rates, consumption and production overseas affects the price here at home. The Bakken oil adds to world supply and helps to lower the price of oil. Now OPEC is cutting production, so when the price goes back up to a certain point, more Bakken oil will be produced and Dakota Access will profit from it, cutting into the OPEC share of oil profits and creating oil jobs for Americans.
The abuses of eminent domain are obvious in particular for commercial developments. Infrastructure projects whether it's electric, gas , oil, levees, roads and other things of that nature are a whole other ballgame. That infrastructure needs to go somewhere and without eminent domain they simply would not occur.
Where a private for profit entity is concerned the government should NEVER be able to forcibly take land to give them. An oil pipeline is also a commercial development.
Where a private for profit entity is concerned the government should NEVER be able to forcibly take land to give them. An oil pipeline is also a commercial development.
This infrastructure has to go somewhere, without eminent domain you can kiss electric, gas, communications and many other things goodbye. That's just the simple facts. If you want your lights to go on and the heat in your house to operate the fuel for that is either coming by rail or a pipeline both of which may require the use of eminent domain.
This infrastructure has to go somewhere, without eminent domain you can kiss electric, gas, communications and many other things goodbye. That's just the simple facts. If you want your lights to go on and the heat in your house to operate the fuel for that is either coming by rail or a pipeline both of which may require the use of eminent domain.
You didn't bother quoting the court rulings did you?
You didn't bother quoting the court rulings did you?
Court rulings do not change the fact it has to go somewhere if you want to tun the lights on in your house, put gas in your car, talk on your phone, type a message on this forum etc.
The OP needs to expand her "organic small mindset" and learn a few of the facts, particularly in the technical and logistic arenas which environmental activists invariably find sooooh depressing.
As a matter of verifiable fact, it's quite easy to trace crude oil movements from the Bakken (Dakota) oilfield, because at least until very recently, that oil moved entirely by rail, in tank cars. That in turn, was a necessity because the field itself is dispersed over a wide land area, making a system of gathering lines more expensive. There are published works dealing with the Bakken field in rail industry journals dating back to the 1950's.
And once that oil is assembled, cost factors made it more economical to keep it on the rails until the high cost of a new pipeline was addressed. Prior to 1945, the railroads relied on many more small shipments, usually in single carloads, which often had to be classified (sorted and reassigned) at major terminals and interchange points. The development of the unit train -- a solid trainload of one commodity, from one shipper to one consignee -- drastically reduced costs, as did larger car sizes. smaller crews, and longer hauls. So East Coast refineries often contracted for solid trainloads of feedstock. (There are even sites on the Web where these moves can be tracked by railroad buffs, FWIW).
The resurgence of domestic oil production, not to mention the supplanting, in part, of petroleum with ethanol (which, BTW, is also difficult to move by pipeline), and the need for greater flexibility in marketing systems all inveigh against extensive expansion of the pipeline network -- although, in this case, sufficient volume has apparently developed to justify new pipe. Some of those tank cars are now back in storage, but I expect to see them back in use one day in the future when the markets shift again.
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