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Old 12-15-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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not true. altho there were clinton supporters among the early birthers ( the PUMAs, phil berg ) they weren't the first nor were they connected to the campaign. i know that patti doyle, clinton's 2008 campaign manager, recently cited a clinton staffer that got fired for a "birther" email in december 2007 but if you read the email it claims that obama is a muslim and does not state he was born outside the US ( in fact it specifically states he was born in hawaii ).

how exactly? he released his birth certificate in june 2008. it was confirmed by the hawaii department of health in october 2008. when he obtained ( by special request ) his "long-form" and released it it only increased the birther conspiracy ( thanks to joe arpaio and the comically incompetent cold case posse ). exactly what action do you believe obama could have taken to quash birtherism?
There's nothing President Obama could have done when you had people like Trump and Arpaio on Fox 24/7 saying otherwise. It didn't matter that his mother was a U.S. citizen and the point was moot. Republicans hated Obama and any way they could make him appear illegitimate was good enough for them.

 
Old 12-15-2016, 12:18 PM
 
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Canada has birthright citizenship. He was born a Canadian the minute he popped out. He had to apply to get his US citizenship, even if he was (rightly) entitled to it.
he had both canadian ( jus soli ) and US ( jus sanguinis ) citizenships at birth.


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He also had to officially renounce it (the Canadian one) before his Presidential run.
there was nothing requiring cruz to do so and multiple US presidents have had dual-citizenships.
 
Old 12-15-2016, 12:25 PM
 
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not true. altho there were clinton supporters among the early birthers ( the PUMAs, phil berg ) they weren't the first nor were they connected to the campaign. i know that patti doyle, clinton's 2008 campaign manager, recently cited a clinton staffer that got fired for a "birther" email in december 2007 but if you read the email it claims that obama is a muslim and does not state he was born outside the US ( in fact it specifically states he was born in hawaii ).



how exactly? he released his birth certificate in june 2008. it was confirmed by the hawaii department of health in october 2008. when he obtained ( by special request ) his "long-form" and released it it only increased the birther conspiracy ( thanks to joe arpaio and the comically incompetent cold case posse ). exactly what action do you believe obama could have taken to quash birtherism?
The Clinton camp are experts at farming out things they don't want to be officially done. You're free to be as naive as possible.

When the birther issue began to gain traction, he could have simply come out with this statement, "Being that my mother is a natural born citizen who has never denounced citizenship, I am a US citizen regardless of where I was born. Since I was born in Hawaii, I have requested my full birth certificate and will release it was it has been received."

If you're claiming it wasn't a very smart move by his campaign but just dumb luck on their behalf, that's fine with me. Personally, if I were an Obama fan, I'd be out there cheering how he was able to use such a dumb attack and turn it into such a great weapon.
 
Old 12-15-2016, 12:25 PM
 
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Finally we can get Obama kicked out of office, oh wait...........
 
Old 12-15-2016, 12:25 PM
 
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Ted Cruz's mother is a natural born US citizen which makes her son a citizen.
the US constitution does not define NBC. more than likely, IMO, the SCOTUS would side on the "citizen at birth" definition but until they do it is still open for debate.

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Even if Obama was born in Kenya (he was born in Hawaii), he would still be a US citizen because his mother is a natural born US citizen.
actually, in that hypothetical, obama's mother would have missed the age requirement to automatically confer US citizenship to a birth abroad by 3 months.
 
Old 12-15-2016, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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he had both canadian ( jus soli ) and US ( jus sanguinis ) citizenships at birth.




there was nothing requiring cruz to do so and multiple US presidents have had dual-citizenships.


I agree, he was entitled to both. He still had to apply for the US one. For optics, if no other reason he had to be free of his Canadian ties.
 
Old 12-15-2016, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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So is Arpaio lying like Nutty Don and has nothing to show.
 
Old 12-15-2016, 12:31 PM
 
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So is Arpaio lying like Nutty Don and has nothing to show.
We won't know until his press conference.

Of course, anybody who shows up to cover it might as well be going to a "we found bigfoot" presser.
 
Old 12-15-2016, 12:32 PM
 
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When the birther issue began to gain traction, he could have simply come out with this statement, "Being that my mother is a natural born citizen who has never denounced citizenship, I am a US citizen regardless of where I was born. Since I was born in Hawaii, I have requested my full birth certificate and will release it was it has been received."
You don't get it. Nothing Obama could have said or not said; done or not done, would have satisfied the birthers. There is no evidence or documentation Obama could release that they wouldn't have immediately labelled a forgery. The birther movement is, at heart, an anti-Obama movement; it has always been immune and independent of truth, logic or evidence. They didn't want Obama to prove his place of birth - they wanted Obama not to be president. There was therefore no reason for Obama to feed the movement or humor their demands.
 
Old 12-15-2016, 12:37 PM
 
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The Clinton camp are experts at farming out things they don't want to be officially done. You're free to be as naive as possible.
you're speculating without evidence to support. try offering facts to support before accusing others of being naive.

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When the birther issue began to gain traction, he could have simply come out with this statement, "Being that my mother is a natural born citizen who has never denounced citizenship, I am a US citizen regardless of where I was born. Since I was born in Hawaii, I have requested my full birth certificate and will release it was it has been received."
all that was common knowledge and he did release his legal birth certificate in june 2008 and confirmed by the HI department of health in october 2008. none of that stopped birtherism from taking hold.
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