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Old 12-18-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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I addressed a point made by someone else. I also already addressed your point
But the price of real estate has steadily increased in the last few years (Damn that Obama!) so expecting a decrease in property values doesn't make sense.

And could you please direct me to that post that references the issues with storm events? I do not see it.
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Old 12-18-2016, 02:06 PM
 
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Mankind did not create this earth.

Although, tech advances make many feel they are gods and can control the universe.

Only our creator can repair the damage man has done to the earth.

How they think they can stop global warming, polar ice caps melting and prevent hurricanes and flooding is ridiculous.

Scientists and governments are made up of humans, not gods, they research but ultimately have no power to fix this planet.
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Old 12-18-2016, 02:07 PM
 
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But the price of real estate has steadily increased in the last few years (Damn that Obama!) so expecting a decrease in property values doesn't make sense.
As long we can count on the status quo not changing, that would be correct.

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And could you please direct me to that post that references the issues with storm events? I do not see it.
U.S. experiencing record hurricane drought, just 4 strikes in 7 years

This is NOT what had been predicted.
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Old 12-18-2016, 02:17 PM
 
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As long we can count on the status quo not changing, that would be correct.



U.S. experiencing record hurricane drought, just 4 strikes in 7 years

This is NOT what had been predicted.
Hurricanes are cyclical due to things like currents and ENSO. That is also limited to Atlantic hurricanes only, Hurricanes in the Pacific have increased. Additionally, while the number of hurricanes in the Atlantic may have decreased, they have increased in intensity which is, if you actually read the scientific literature (rather than USA today) is what was predicted by climate scientists and occurred. In fact, climate models have consistently called for a decrease in hurricane frequency paired with an increase in intensity.

Hoyos, Carlos D., et al. "Deconvolution of the factors contributing to the increase in global hurricane intensity." Science 312.5770 (2006): 94-97.

Knutson, Thomas R., et al. "Tropical cyclones and climate change." Nature Geoscience 3.3 (2010): 157-163.

"Indeed, hurricane intensity — if not frequency — is likely to increase in the future"

Hallegatte, Stéphane. "Economics: The rising costs of hurricanes." Nature Climate Change 2.3 (2012): 148-149.

Meanwhile, there are lots of other types of storms who are increasing in frequency and intensity, as has been predicted.
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Old 12-18-2016, 02:21 PM
 
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Hurricanes are cyclical due to things like currents and ENSO.
The claims were that they were going to grow in frequency and strengths. This prediction had been made for many years. The opposite has happened.

Arguments like this do NOTHING but hurt the cause of cleaning things up. They are seen as what they are, the same thing as the guy on the street corner preaching the end times are here.
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Old 12-18-2016, 02:21 PM
 
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How they think they can stop global warming, polar ice caps melting and prevent hurricanes and flooding is ridiculous.
Stop global warming?
We are just trying to slow it.
By reducing emissions and carbon sequestration.
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Old 12-18-2016, 02:36 PM
 
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Mankind did not create this earth.

Although, tech advances make many feel they are gods and can control the universe.

Only our creator can repair the damage man has done to the earth.

How they think they can stop global warming, polar ice caps melting and prevent hurricanes and flooding is ridiculous.

Scientists and governments are made up of humans, not gods, they research but ultimately have no power to fix this planet.
Thank you for putting your complete ignorance of the entire issue on display for all to see.
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Old 12-18-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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The claims were that they were going to grow in frequency and strengths. This prediction had been made for many years. The opposite has happened.

Arguments like this do NOTHING but hurt the cause of cleaning things up. They are seen as what they are, the same thing as the guy on the street corner preaching the end times are here.
That isn't true.

Shall I show you more literature?

The following papers all called for an increase in intensity and a decrease in frequency.

Webster, Peter J., et al. "Changes in tropical cyclone number, duration, and intensity in a warming environment." Science 309.5742 (2005): 1844-1846.

Elsner, J. B., A. B. Kara, and M. A. Owens. "Fluctuations in North Atlantic hurricane frequency." Journal of Climate 12.2 (1999): 427-437.

Raper, S. C. B. Observational data on the relationships between climatic change and the frequency and magnitude of severe tropical storms. Cambridge University Press, 1993.

And there are many more. There were some scientists saying they may increase, but it has never been the overwhelming consensus. Additionally, many paper exist in the scientific literature criticizing those models like this one.

Knutson, Thomas R., and Robert E. Tuleya. "Impact of CO2-induced warming on simulated hurricane intensity and precipitation: Sensitivity to the choice of climate model and convective parameterization." Journal of Climate 17.18 (2004): 3477-3495.

This sort of reminds me of the climate denier myth that scientists originally called it global warming. It has been called climate change since well before the 1970s and the supposed "climate cooling" myth (based on a single time magazine article rather than a scientific paper).
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Old 12-18-2016, 02:43 PM
 
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Mankind did not create this earth.

Although, tech advances make many feel they are gods and can control the universe.

Only our creator can repair the damage man has done to the earth.

How they think they can stop global warming, polar ice caps melting and prevent hurricanes and flooding is ridiculous.

Scientists and governments are made up of humans, not gods, they research but ultimately have no power to fix this planet.
Hole in the ozone layer!
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Old 12-18-2016, 03:19 PM
 
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That isn't true.

Shall I show you more literature?

The following papers all called for an increase in intensity and a decrease in frequency.
That hasn't even happened. And just because they claimed that (maybe) that doesn't mean others weren't claiming what I said. Neither has happened.

REPENT the end is near!!!

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This sort of reminds me of the climate denier myth that scientists originally called it global warming. It has been called climate change since well before the 1970s and the supposed "climate cooling" myth (based on a single time magazine article rather than a scientific paper).
No it hasn't. Your god is a false god.
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