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Old 12-23-2016, 07:17 PM
 
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IF a potential attacker isn't deterred by 5,000-7,000 existing warheads, GUESS WHAT?

He ain't gonna be deterred!

Yes he will be. But these technologies can't just sit idle. Warheads get old and need to be recycled in favor of new and better and faster technologies. Plus we should be testing newer and more powerful warheads. Maybe we'll only need 2,000 total, if they are up-to-the-minute in terms of stealth, power and speed.


In fact, our entire military, all branches, need a massive rebuild and renovation, especially the Air Force. It's time to make some distance between our enemies and us. They've closed the gap, and now we have to spend serious money and regain pre-eminence.


Trump represents an excellent opportunity to divert money away from useless social programs and spend it where it can do some genuine good: keeping us Number 1.

 
Old 12-23-2016, 07:25 PM
 
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Trump's inability to express himself clearly is a problem. When even lifelong English speaking listeners can't decipher what the hell he is saying, you can only imagine how the Chinese deal with it. Never mind all that though,a 140 character medium is just not the forum for promulgating nuclear policy. So unpresidential.

I would like to presume he is talking about modernizing and not deploying more. I don't know what that mean other than I suppose guidance and launch systems. They are probably antiquated and dilapidated like the rest of our infrastructure that was neglected while we chased various muslim factions around the middle eastern deserts. The problem is how do you pay to fix all these things when you want trillion dollars tax cuts for the wealthy?
Given how the badly the message was delivered (Twitter), it's pretty hard to conclude as some here do that this is genius-level tactical maneuvering on Trump's part. No one but no one can decipher it.

It was painful to watch Kelly Ann Conway on Maddow last night. She started with your presumption that he was talking about modernizing the delivery systems but spun press reaction to the tweet as unfair since after all Obama is doing the exact same thing that Trump proposes but receives NO press criticism. And she's correct, Obama is. But then if you're Trump why tweet about it right now?

Conway moved on to the next talking point saying Trump was trying to elucidate that he would take all necessary steps to keep the US safe then of all things brought up ISIS. The context seemed to be that it provided her with another opportunity to deflect to Obama, blaming him for not containing ISIS. But all it did was reawaken the issue of Trump's early comments he would use nuclear force against ISIS introducing a whole additional level of uncertainty. Maddow looked stunned and tried to press the issue. Conway increasingly was uncomfortable.

Unless he gets his act together, our US nuclear policy will be whatever the world guesses it to be. Trump of all people should grasp that it is the first or initial image that is the one that tends to stick.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 07:28 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Yes he will be. But these technologies can't just sit idle. Warheads get old and need to be recycled in favor of new and better and faster technologies. Plus we should be testing newer and more powerful warheads. Maybe we'll only need 2,000 total, if they are up-to-the-minute in terms of stealth, power and speed.


In fact, our entire military, all branches, need a massive rebuild and renovation, especially the Air Force. It's time to make some distance between our enemies and us. They've closed the gap, and now we have to spend serious money and regain pre-eminence.


Trump represents an excellent opportunity to divert money away from useless social programs and spend it where it can do some genuine good: keeping us Number 1.

Is this a sales pitch from the defense industry?

Sure sounds like one.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 07:32 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Yes he will be. But these technologies can't just sit idle. Warheads get old and need to be recycled in favor of new and better and faster technologies. Plus we should be testing newer and more powerful warheads. Maybe we'll only need 2,000 total, if they are up-to-the-minute in terms of stealth, power and speed.


In fact, our entire military, all branches, need a massive rebuild and renovation, especially the Air Force. It's time to make some distance between our enemies and us. They've closed the gap, and now we have to spend serious money and regain pre-eminence.


Trump represents an excellent opportunity to divert money away from useless social programs and spend it where it can do some genuine good: keeping us Number 1.

Then it doesn't need MORE! MORE! MORE! $$$ for "a massive rebuild and renovation", it needs an investigation into WHY the world's most expensive military, costing us MORE than the next 7-10 national militaries combined, isn't already far ahead in equipment and capability.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 11:51 PM
 
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Then it doesn't need MORE! MORE! MORE! $$$ for "a massive rebuild and renovation", it needs an investigation into WHY the world's most expensive military, costing us MORE than the next 7-10 national militaries combined, isn't already far ahead in equipment and capability.

Let's do both. Streamline what's there. Then TRIPLE IT. I want my country to be able to fight Russia, China, and North Korea. All at the same time. And with no pre-emption of the Super Bowl.
 
Old 12-24-2016, 01:16 AM
 
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Let's do both. Streamline what's there. Then TRIPLE IT. I want my country to be able to fight Russia, China, and North Korea. All at the same time. And with no pre-emption of the Super Bowl.


I can't tell if you're serious or a troll. Congrats!
 
Old 12-24-2016, 01:19 AM
 
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Then it doesn't need MORE! MORE! MORE! $$$ for "a massive rebuild and renovation", it needs an investigation into WHY the world's most expensive military, costing us MORE than the next 7-10 national militaries combined, isn't already far ahead in equipment and capability.
Easy Answer.

Most of the money has been wasted on pointless wars of choice supported by Obama & Hillary.

Trillion$ wasted in the Middle East with nothing to show for it but the rise of ISIS, 100s of 1000s dead, and millions displaced.

Even a cave man should be able to figure that out.
 
Old 12-24-2016, 01:24 AM
 
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Oh, don't think it's only an hour or two, as the plan goes, some subs are directed to dive deep and sit out a week or two then come up and lob some more nukes. I'm sure the other side has similar plans in place. Hopefully this is just testosterone talking, we all (US, Russia, China) know the consequences of an all out nuclear exchange.
After an hour or so 10K nuclear weapons would have hit their targets there wont be anything left for those subs to shoot at.At this point whether you have 10 thousand nuclear weapons or 10 million nuclear weapons the end result will be the same =mutually assured destruction, we can all go to our graves knowing that we sure showed them
 
Old 12-24-2016, 02:28 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Wow, getting Trump to strengthen our nuclear is surely in Putin's interest lol
The biggest problem with Putin, is that a large majority of Russians favor him, even though they must know that he's a bad guy------but he's their bad guy or so they've been fooled to think. Sort of the opposite with Trump here, so maybe that's what attracts him-------the popularity that he will never have and will actually spiral downhill.
 
Old 12-24-2016, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It was painful to watch Kelly Ann Conway on Maddow last night. She started with your presumption that he was talking about modernizing the delivery systems but spun press reaction to the tweet as unfair since after all Obama is doing the exact same thing that Trump proposes but receives NO press criticism. And she's correct, Obama is. But then if you're Trump why tweet about it right now?
Why indeed. Putin played him into doing it. He toys with him like a child and will get him to do anything.

Trumps re-starts nuclear arms race with Tweeter-nx0bi0b.jpg

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