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Old 12-29-2016, 05:47 PM
 
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And here I thought we as a society have gotten more intelligent. Nope. We're still accusing people of devil worship... were there interns at the Clinton campaign also practicing witch craft?
Receiving e-mails with invitations to Satanic rituals is generally a good way to be accused of participating in Satanic rituals. ...because you get invited to Satanic rituals and all.
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Old 12-29-2016, 05:50 PM
 
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The Democrats, and liberals in general, have a significant friendship problem.

The liberals used to have an ideological affiliation with Russia. No more.

The liberals used to have an ideological affiliation with Israel. No more.

The liberals used to have a stronghold in the UK before they trashed the place. No more.

Liberal ideology, when it was more concerned with libertarianism and before it became a grotesque caricature of itself, used to be supported, at least superficially enough, by USA military popular opinion. No more.

The police have to be at an all time high for hatred of liberals. And rightfully so.

Who are the significant friends of the liberals with an army? Germany? The UN? Some random oligarchs? Good luck with that.

The liberals are fast running out of friends at a time when they are greatly antagonizing a large portion of the world. I'm curious as to who they will appeal to should they finally **** off the wrong people for the last time, whomever that group will be. This is only a series of observations and a question.
I don't really know what you're talking about and am confident you don't either.

The Democrats, like any political party, undergo changes throughout the ages. When the Democrats were at their best, under FDR, they were generally subscribers to some form of Keynesian economics. Post FDR, they became more moderate, but were still mostly in the same camp. Bill Clinton introduced neoliberalism into mainstream liberal thought (if we use liberal as a term for Democrats). It's at the point where I personally consider Clinton more of a right wing candidate than Trump. Bernie was a proper FDR Democrat, though he falsely identified himself as a socialist. I agree, that shouldn't be a bad word, but he's also not really advocating for socialist policy. Democratic Socialism is more accurate, though even that generally still ends up simply being a different flavor of Keynesian economics.

I'd argue most liberal voters are still supporters of Keynesian policy, particularly younger ones who never dealt with Bill Clintons classist BS. Polls clearly suggest they liked Bernie more than Hillary.

As for your comments on the state of liberalism, you're using two different definitions and it's not working. You go on about Libertarianism, though 'liberals' in the context you're using it couldn't be called libertarians upon entering the 20th century at the latest, but probably even earlier, if ever. Classical liberalism is more in line with modern conservatives. The word liberal has of course been abused, and you seem to understand that, which is good. The problem is, as I said, your use of the word liberal indicated your using multiple definitions, unless your referring to a period in history I know nothing about. But based on the examples you gave, that's unlikely.
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Old 12-29-2016, 05:57 PM
 
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Receiving e-mails with invitations to Satanic rituals is generally a good way to be accused of participating in Satanic rituals. ...because you get invited to Satanic rituals and all.
Are you referring to the email the references 'spirit cooking?' The email sent to John Podesta's brother? From an artist who created a performance art piece in 1994 called 'Spirit Cooking?' An artist who was hosting a dinner, unrelated to politics, to thank people who donated to her kickstarter in 2014?

The idiotic theory that this email reveals something about Satanism has been disproven. It also has no meaningful connection to Hillary Clinton, who never received the email. John Podesta was forwarded an email from his brother Tony, and asked if he wanted to attend a dinner. I mean, even if it was Satanic, Hillary didn't go or even receive an invite. But it's also clearly not Satanic...
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Old 12-29-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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Dems have a God; it's called the state. And it is indeed a jealous God and will tolerate no competition.
I know who i serve, so the post is a NON issue, and somewhat expected in the last days,, but the only accuser I know of (per HIS say) - is the devil or maybe the Pharisees
I can only say this- because we are in a general forum- the attack are on none- or the general public; but hope this is not exercised on real people you come across,,, for all of your own sakes
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Old 12-29-2016, 06:21 PM
 
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Are you referring to the email the references 'spirit cooking?' The email sent to John Podesta's brother? From an artist who created a performance art piece in 1994 called 'Spirit Cooking?' An artist who was hosting a dinner, unrelated to politics, to thank people who donated to her kickstarter in 2014?

The idiotic theory that this email reveals something about Satanism has been disproven. It also has no meaningful connection to Hillary Clinton, who never received the email. John Podesta was forwarded an email from his brother Tony, and asked if he wanted to attend a dinner. I mean, even if it was Satanic, Hillary didn't go or even receive an invite. But it's also clearly not Satanic...
Oh? It has been? By who? I watched her "spirit cooking" on YT, and I've traveled enough of the further circles out there in my day to know what will and intent were being conveyed by their actions and materials. That was a ritual (poorly) disguised as "performance art".

And let's not forget Johnny boy and his brother Tony are really close. They travel together for instance. To places like Portugal. And who knows what kind of shenanigans they get up to together?

As for Clinton herself, no, I do not know or even allege that she herself was ever a participant. But you can judge a person by the company they keep, and birds of a feather flock together.
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Old 12-29-2016, 06:32 PM
 
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Why would a Christian want to be a Democrat when they can be a Republican?
So the Christ was a Republican? Even granting that God outranks Time, that seems like a strange statement. Listening to Falwell & Pat Robertson & etc., they seem to invoke a fire 'n' brimstone flavor of God.

Didn't Christ say "Go forth & sin no more" to the woman taken in adultery? God in the New Testament (that's the one we're in these days, yes?) doesn't seem as interested as God in the Old Testament in contracts, covenants, birthrights, & so on. Jehovah in the OT seemed to be very exacting & legalistic in His bargains with Man.

Or as I missing something?
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Old 12-29-2016, 06:46 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Open the borders and complain about stagnant wages while refusing to do the jobs the illegals do. Claim Righties are intolerant of LGBTQ when they have more rights than ever. Ignore that cops are killed everyday by criminals. Completely reject Christianity but coddle Islam when the latter is WAY more intolerant than Christianity will ever be (Sharia Law).

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Just addressing this little bit - there have been times when Islam (when it was rising, in Spain - for about 800 years - & Turkey & other parts of the Middle East) was far more tolerant of Jews & even Christians than some sects of Christians were of Jews & Christians of the wrong flavor. Religious tolerance may have been an Islamic invention - the Prophet Mohammed recognized Jews & Christians as fellow People of the Book - although Jews & Christians did have to pay a poll tax & were barred from political leadership in Islamic lands. But they could worship & hold services.

Mind you, this was back in the day, ending in Spain in 1492CE, & in Turkey with the fall of the Ottoman Empire - 1918? But yes, Islam flirted with nationalism post-WWII. Since then, I think Islam has become politically bitter - puzzled & angry that their polities don't seem to advance & keep pace with Western Civilization's progress in the material World.
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Old 12-29-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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Receiving e-mails with invitations to Satanic rituals is generally a good way to be accused of participating in Satanic rituals. ...because you get invited to Satanic rituals and all.
Check your PMs. You just received an e-mail inviting you to participate in a satanic ritual.

You were saying... ?
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Old 12-29-2016, 07:15 PM
 
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As a Democrat, I cannot take evangelicals seriously after they voted for Trump. They ignored everything he did from mocking the disabled, publicly cheating on his wife by bring his mistress on a family vacation, bragging about grabbing women without their permission, suing contractors to avoid payment, etc. He could do absolutely anything and these evangelicals did.not.care. So when they claim they believe in their religion or use religion as an excuse for something, I just roll my eyes now because their actions show even they don't believe in their religion.
Evangelicals have to work, pay bills, send their kids to school just like anyone else. Any number are also stuck paying for Obamacare. God helps those who help themselves, and the last eight years have been a miserable time for evangelicals struggling along with the rest of America under Obama's misguided economic policies. Hillary was just promising more of Obama's nonsense. I suspect evangelicals are making a calculated decision based on their pocketbooks, not their religion and I suspect most don't give a damn what you think about them.
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Old 12-29-2016, 07:30 PM
 
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Evangelicals have to work, pay bills, send their kids to school just like anyone else. Any number are also stuck paying for Obamacare. God helps those who help themselves, and the last eight years have been a miserable time for evangelicals struggling along with the rest of America under Obama's misguided economic policies. Hillary was just promising more of Obama's nonsense. I suspect evangelicals are making a calculated decision based on their pocketbooks, not their religion and I suspect most don't give a damn what you think about them.
First- who takes care of us? I hope their answer is as mine. God
2- God never ever said he helps those that helps themselves.
3 -many Christians I know happy to have insurance and the older kids covered.
4-decision on their pocketbook is right. Not in God's guidance. Thus the question.
5- you guys calling the dems evil, sad. Because that makes you all the accusers.
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