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Old 01-02-2017, 09:56 AM
 
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No it's not, making modest adjustments to make it better is the right thing to do. The Repubs have nothing to replace it with except empty slogans and rhetoric. This is beyond shameful but i assume you have health care - right?

This stupidity is going to cause some people to die - does that make you happy?
What make me happy is that I voted for Trump. And all you liberals are in agony. 18 more days.
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Old 01-02-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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I think it has changed to......ask what Americans can do for you.
As American's we should help our fellow citizens. I can't understand why that is so controversial of an idea.
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I would replace "Obamacare" with an entirely government funded system without any private insurance involvement at all. Then the providers, including the drug companies could pay whatever the government offered and be happy with what they get because the alternative is to not sell at all. Additionally this new program would end the American Medical Association monopoly on "residencies" but would include heavily subsidized medical education for anyone qualified to be in the profession.


That is my alternative to "Obamacare". What is the Republicans replacement?


18 days + four years unless he quits first.
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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American guv run health care: the efficiency of the DMV and the compassion of the IRS.
Watch those life spans fall!
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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I would replace "Obamacare" with an entirely government funded system without any private insurance involvement at all. Then the providers, including the drug companies could pay whatever the government offered and be happy with what they get because the alternative is to not sell at all. Additionally this new program would end the American Medical Association monopoly on "residencies" but would include heavily subsidized medical education for anyone qualified to be in the profession.


That is my alternative to "Obamacare". What is the Republicans replacement?


18 days + four years unless he quits first.

Your alternative would NEVER work. Many do not realize that the drug companies have one of the most powerful lobby's in DC. Wishful thinking. And you want the Gov't to entirely fund healthcare? After they already screwed up Obamacare?
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:05 AM
 
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As American's we should help our fellow citizens. I can't understand why that is so controversial of an idea.
I have no problem with this.......one problem we're not helping our citizens we are helping every other country, by bringing in their poor. How can we be helping our own, when most lost healthcare, while people from other countries are getting a huge fine deal being covered......some don't have to pay while others, the plan starts at $40.00 a month, my plan starts at $475.00 with very little to offer. I might as well save the money and pay the penalty.
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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American guv run health care: the efficiency of the DMV and the compassion of the IRS.
Watch those life spans fall!
I've covered this before but maybe it's time again. This is a valid complaint. Absolutely.

It lays in the lap of those who would like to see UHC at that. I am going to generalize here even though I am no fan of generalizations.

As a generalization, a large number of those that want to have UHC refused to demand the complete leadership of the V.A. be fired and new leadership be held accountable.

They refused to condemn the use of the IRS as a political tool.

I have condemned both actions because I realize it causes the public to question the ability of the government to do anything right.
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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I'm not sure I want to stand with millionaires on deciding on our healthcare, but something does need to change. You do have to admit many of us working-class people lost healthcare, we have none now that ObamaCare went through. How do you justify I have to pay $6,000-$8,000 deductible, while low income people, immigrants, refugees and like, are not having to pay any of this?


One thing I have noticed, ObamaCare plans start as low as $40.00 a month, while those States who opted out of ObamaCare the insurance plans start at $400.00 & up. With very little coverage, the plan I had before covered much more and my deductible was $500.00.


Why are illegals being encouraged to sign up on ObamaCare?


https://www.samhsa.gov/sites/default...with-notes.pdf
As I said adjustments could be made to Ocare but repubs because of their hatred for him and his policies just want it to go away and replace it with nothing! People will die - happy now?
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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What make me happy is that I voted for Trump. And all you liberals are in agony. 18 more days.
You are the one who will be in agony in 18 days. This guy is a fat clueless egomaniac.
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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I have no problem with this.......one problem we're not helping our citizens we are helping every other country, by bringing in their poor.
In many cases we are bringing in the poor because we bombed the hell out of their cities. I have condemned that many times.

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How can we be helping our own, when most lost healthcare, while people from other countries are getting a huge fine deal being covered......some don't have to pay while others, the plan starts at $40.00 a month, my plan starts at $475.00 with very little to offer. I might as well save the money and pay the penalty.
Sadly many understandably see it that way. I've said many times that we have to clean up our own messes before we can even think about dealing with others.
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