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I am on the Gilbert-Mesa border which couldn't be different.
Flint and San Francisco both have issues because they are run by extremely liberal Democrats.
Gilbert is an exceptional world-class city. Sadly, Gilbert is in close proximity to some areas full of riff-raff like Mesa, Tempe and Phoenix. I think the elected officials of Gilbert should be proud that despite being close to such bad influences that they run the city so well.
Scottsdale also has virtually no problems because it has a conservative, Republican mayor. This in contrast, to Phoenix which has a Democratic mayor that is the postcard of social problems.
Gilbert is perhaps the best run town of 250,000 people in North America. Violent Crime rate is 80% below the national average and it only had 2 homicides in 2015.
I love all the inexpensive big-box retailers with low-profit margins in Gilbert that save me money as opposed to high-profit margin "specialty" stores in urban areas.
San Bernadino in ultra-liberal California had 62 homicides and has far less people then Gilbert. San Bernadino of course is a city that was bankrupted by liberal leadership.
Gimme a break. Half of Gilbert still smells like horse dung. It's a NOTHING city. The only thing nice about Gilbert is the downtown is pretty lively on weekends with the food trucks, bars and restaurants. But downtown Gilbert is about an eighth of a mile IF THAT!
The rest of Gilbert is homes, new schools, horse ranches and half full strip malls.
Get outta here with that bull.
"World class city." Who are you kidding? They don't have two decent restaurants in Gilbert. You're trying to fool people that know nothing about the area, but I was raised in the East Valley. I know better.
And you've got the nerve to rip Mesa and Tempe? Please. Gilbert doesn't have a tenth of Mesa's amenities or it's proximity to anything important. And Tempe kicks Gilbert's ass all day long. Tempe and Mesa have more problems than Gilbert because those are long ESTABLISHED communities. Gilbert was a horse ranch and feed lot only a week ago.
Stop it. Gilbert is a joke. I put Gilbert in the same class as Globe, Eloy, or Casa Grande.
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California has had a looooooooooot of problems eversince they were put many billions in the red due to Republican deregulation of their electricity markets which were subsequently manipulated by Enron.
A main source of California's problems have been caused by the millions of uneducated rednecks from backward states that have swarmed in, over the past 85 years, hoping to partake of the good life. Oregon and Washington have also suffered from this influx. In my hometown today, no more than a small percentage were born here. And they've brought all their corruption, drug-abuse and criminal habits along with them. They seem to want to escape from the mess they've made of their homelands, yet they are intent on doing the same thing to ours, after they get here.
If we are able to form our own republic here in The Pacific States of America, there should be no immigration and those who have come in the past 20 years, should be booted.
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This is a lie.
CA used to be (other than the major city armpits) predominately Conservative (ie the state was red with major cities being blue). Many of these towns were normal filled with average working folk, and the only "liberals" you would find would be in a university town (and even then, used to only be during the season).
Now, all those towns have suffered the influx of the city folk who sold their mult-million dollar one bedroom crap hole apartments for a lotto and moved out to these smaller towns buying up property like it was a fire sale. Those city folk turned those smaller towns into cesspools filled with pretentious busy bodies who over pay, and over intrude into everyones lives because they couldn't seem to stand the smell of the cities they left, but then felt they needed to stink up the smaller towns with their same policies.
CA suffers from city folk craping in their own homes till they can no longer stand the smell and then flooding to the smaller towns to repeat. This caused many to exit the state for other states who do not urinate on their businesses and treat their rural town people as if they are subjects to serve the most worthy cities.
The above posters description is actually the complete opposite of reality. They are the invaders, they ruined northern CA (no, San Fran is not northern CA) and they ruined Oregon and Washington.
Make no mistake, those three states are now cesspools of progressives craping where they live and running everything they touch.
It really is a shame though, CA/Oregon/Washington has very nice weather. Other than that, the states could fall off into the ocean and the IQ of the US would rise by over 50%.
One thing you say is true: California has been able to greatly improve its social attitudes and political policies over the years, while 60% of the country has sunk further into the abyss.
California is the largest producer of Fresh veggies as well, the largest producer of Wine, of Nuts, Almonds, Avocado, Olives, etc. the Cold weather of the other states is not the rule of Californias weather. Homeless fly from frozen temperatures all over the rest of the US to California, and though Florida is also warm, it is in fact hot as hell and you also need Air conditioning while in California You can survive without it.
Perhaps your contempt with California is that it is not only the richest state of the Unión but that it is almost entirely Bilingual, English/Español and from a WASP visión that is inacceptable.
This folks is what we call the Southern Californian argument. You see, they go on and on about all the growing CA has, the Almonds, Rice, Olives, etc... and then go on about how CA doesn't need AC. You see folks, the city folk in CA (the liberals) are really just a drag on the real producers in the state. These city folks take up all the water (because they are so smart that they live in a desert, but apparently not smart enough to build the water resources to live in it). They also apparently aren't bright enough to produce their own energy as they get most of it from other states.
Now, lets talk about that weather. Yep, if one is the typical So Cal freeloader, getting their water from the north where the bulk of that food is grown, they don't need AC, they sit in easy temps as they whine about the heat if it gets into the 90's. The rest of the actual producers in the state, well... not so much. You had better get your AC units going because in the summer it is not uncommon to hit 115-118+ temps. All those wonderful Almond trees love that hot dry weather (it is why Northern CA grows the majority of the Almonds in the US).
Of course, those So Cal freeloaders wouldn't know anything about that, they are too busy demanding water, protesting to save the delta fish while they drain the lakes, bankrupt those farmers they seem to think they represent, create more laws to penalize and charge the north more for the water and obstruct any attempts to build more dams and reservoirs.
Yeah, CA is awesome for the freeloaders in So Cal! /boggle
haha@all the hillbilly envy...and if youre not a hillbilly and/or envious than the following read is not directed at you:
All your states do is talk sh*t but you cant do sh*t.
Just st.fu and keep on drinking our damn wine, eating our damn produce, watching our movies, listening to our music, spending 18 hours a day on our social media, looking things up on our search engines, talking on our damn phones, and get ready to drive our damn driverless cars that are forthcoming-etc etc etc. California is at the forefront of the world economy and home to trillions of dollars of investment capital and unparalleled intellectual and creative capital.
All of that burns you up inside because it shreds red state rhetoric to bits and demonstrates that the most entreprenureal and capitalist state is actually deep BLUE.
A main source of California's problems have been caused by the millions of uneducated rednecks from backward states that have swarmed in, over the past 85 years, hoping to partake of the good life. Oregon and Washington have also suffered from this influx. In my hometown today, no more than a small percentage were born here. And they've brought all their corruption, drug-abuse and criminal habits along with them. They seem to want to escape from the mess they've made of their homelands, yet they are intent on doing the same thing to ours, after they get here.
If we are able to form our own republic here in The Pacific States of America, there should be no immigration and those who have come in the past 20 years, should be booted.
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Same problem with Alaska, especially after Sarah Palin managed to get on the national stage eight years ago. Parts of it were already bad enough, but they flocked up in droves and brought the worst of their culture with them.
Maybe if we form The PSA Republic, we could invite Alaska in as a territory and save it from internal destruction? British Columbia would also be well-suited to be a part of it and they could shed the curse of metrification and forced French bi-lingual road signs.
One thing you say is true: California has been able to greatly improve its social attitudes and political policies over the years, while 60% of the country has sunk further into the abyss.
An admission that they infested the rural areas.
Good, now... when it all falls apart, there will be nobody to blame and trust me, your state is falling apart, but you would have to know a lot more about CA other than living in the neat cities!
California is a bellwether for alot of America since WW2 because its where so many americans moved to and its problems now are just a symptom of what happening all over america, stuff like illegal immigration,massive disparity of wealth ,a declining middle class etc. A Californian Tim Draper did try to innovate and put on the ballot the Six Californias initiative, a proposed initiative to split the U.S. state of California into six states.
Its already a reality with the State of Jefferson vastly different than say LA county or portland, a proposed state with a big chunk of northern California and southern Oregon merging into a new state. There is an enormous divide not only in california but in many states, a place like Oregon where Trump won the majority of counties( 28 to 8 ) but lost the state is very different than Portland, Washington state is majority red and very different than Seattle, Maryland doesnt vote anything like Baltimore, Michigan isnt like Detroit, upstate NY is very different from NYC, and on and on
The problems of california seem alot bigger because its a huge state, maybe too big. I really think the state of Jefferson will become a reality one day, there are alot of states where the states are so different than the metros and alot of rural and small town resentment
If someone doesn't like a certain state, then don't live there. Easy. But to continually insult a state that is clearly doing well, according to Forbes CA had the 3rd best economy in the US in 2016, is ridiculous. Every single state in the nation has issues, regardless of what type of issues. There is no utopia. The people complaining (why, I have no idea) about a state that they don't even live in is illogical.
Ah yes, the world traveler's eternal conundrum when visiting the US - if you're pressed for time, which do you drop: Washington DC, San Francisco, New York or Los Angeles - to make sure you don't miss out on Gilbert, Arizona?
Listen, I'm sure it's a nice place and all, but a city that has "the Morrison Ranch Silos" listed as a point of interest may not quite meet most people's definition of "world-class".
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