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Old 01-15-2017, 11:22 PM
 
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Well that sounds kind of interesting and different.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/u...placement.html

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“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Mr. Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
However he was specific:
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Mr. Trump said specifically on Saturday that “I don’t want single-payer.”
The combination of comments is interesting. NOTHING I have seen from anyone on the right meets this.

My guess? He has been told this, and believes it despite reality being different. But I have to say, if he has something good....I will be a happy camper.
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Old 01-15-2017, 11:28 PM
 
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Fascinating. And a Republican Congress will fully vote for everyone getting insurance? By all means, let's see this.
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Old 01-15-2017, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Fascinating. And a Republican Congress will fully vote for everyone getting insurance? By all means, let's see this.
Nixon went to China.
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Old 01-15-2017, 11:55 PM
 
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This is incoherent. He wants private insurance for everyone, but doesn't want the ACA. If you want to provide below-cost insurance to the poor and/or people with pre-existing conditions it has to be paid for. Whether through a mix of taxes, community rating, and a mandate to force the people getting screwed by community rating to still buy (the ACA exchange policies), or just a ton of tax money (the ACA medicaid expansion) someone has to pay for it. What is he going to do that is meaningfully different than what he is wiping away that makes the necessary sacrifices to meet the same goals -- and if it's only moderately different, well, the ACA is plenty flawed but once you have a status quo there is a real price tag to adjusting it. Replacing the ACA with something similar to the ACA might have political appeal but it's doing harm relative to the alternative of just letting the ACA stand.
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Old 01-15-2017, 11:58 PM
 
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Fascinating. And a Republican Congress will fully vote for everyone getting insurance? By all means, let's see this.
Smoke & mirrors. I cannot possibly see how any affordable plans will cover people with pre-existing conditions without a mandate. Even Medicare has Part B premiums deducted from my Soc Sec checks monthly after I paid into it for 40 years. That's not including the Part D monthly premium and the cost of my high deductible supplement. Yet I keep hearing how broke Medicare is.

Republicans talk about competition and buying insurance across state lines, but every insurance company has an obligation to its shareholders so they need to operate by making a profit. The money to cover sick people, poor people and dependent children has to come from somewhere. As long as we have for-profit companies making decisions about our health, they will always impose restrictions on the kind of care we receive.

OTOH, a single-payer system can be designed to negotiate fair prices for services and pharmaceuticals by using the purchasing power of the entire U.S. population to make health care more affordable.

This is just my opinion, but I agree I'll be very happy if there's a better option.
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:01 AM
 
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They are going to keep 85% of The ACA and just rebrand it. More smoke and mirrors.
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Well that sounds kind of interesting and different.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/u...placement.html



However he was specific:


The combination of comments is interesting. NOTHING I have seen from anyone on the right meets this.

My guess? He has been told this, and believes it despite reality being different. But I have to say, if he has something good....I will be a happy camper.
Many of us will be happy and better off.
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:11 AM
 
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Smoke & mirrors. I cannot possibly see how any affordable plans will cover people with pre-existing conditions without a mandate. Even Medicare has Part B premiums deducted from my Soc Sec checks monthly after I paid into it for 40 years. That's not including the Part D monthly premium and the cost of my high deductible supplement. Yet I keep hearing how broke Medicare is.

Republicans talk about competition and buying insurance across state lines, but every insurance company has an obligation to its shareholders so they need to operate by making a profit. The money to cover sick people, poor people and dependent children has to come from somewhere. As long as we have for-profit companies making decisions about our health, they will always impose restrictions on the kind of care we receive.

OTOH, a single-payer system can be designed to negotiate fair prices for services and pharmaceuticals by using the purchasing power of the entire U.S. population to make health care more affordable.

This is just my opinion, but I agree I'll be very happy if there's a better option.
Medicare does not do an effective job at negotiating drug prices -- and in fact is so ineffective that it makes it harder for the private sector to try to do so.

Medicare does effectively reduce service prices, but if you suddenly replaced commercial payment rates with Medicare rates you'd bankrupt most hospitals in short order. In the long term (after you figured out how to handle the sudden financial collapse of the hospital system), you'd force down the salaries of all of the middle-class medical providers pretty deeply (nurses, techs, doctors in non-shortage areas/specialties) and doctors in areas with a shortage of certain specialties would just go outside the system to maintain their standard of living and if you need to see that sort of doctor and aren't rich enough to both pay taxes for the public system and buy your own private care and are too sick to wait for one of the very few in the public system, tough luck.
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:15 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Don't despair ...you'll have DonnyCare ...real soon! It'll be ...great!
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:18 AM
 
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He also said he was gonna lock HIllary up.

He also said he was gonna build a wall, and Mexico would pay for it.

He also said he was going to drain the swamp.

He also said he would release his tax returns.

He also said he never praised Putin

He also said H.Clinton started the birther movement.

The list goes on, and on, and on, and on...

Welcome to Trumparica.

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