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Old 01-18-2017, 08:36 AM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Yes! Things were much better in years past. This is a cluster **** we are living in today.
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:37 AM
 
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Heh give it another 30 years and it will be your turn to complain about all the "kids these days".
I might. I will also try to keep into perspective the bad that exists today. There have always been bad kids. Violent kids.

Record producer Quincy Jones grew up in Seattle, but spent part of his childhood in Chicago's South Side. Even in the later 30s/early 1940s the South Side was kind of rough. He got attacked by some guy with a knife as a kid. When he moved to Bremerton, he carried a .32 sometimes. Apparently Bremerton had a crazy reputation in the 40s. Garfield’s glittering star, Quincy Jones dared to dream | The Seattle Times
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:40 AM
 
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And now, we've elected the one man to President that truly reflects America's cultural rot - Donald Trump.

Our children will learn from him that morals and integrity are now officially meaningless. They will learn from him that materialistic greed is the only "value" that matters; they will learn from him that they should always strive to be as confrontational and angry as possible when communicating with others. They will learn from him that throwing a tantrum will usually get their way - and above all else they will learn that they must ALWAYS get their way. They will learn that playing fair is for losers; because winning at any cost is all that matters in life.

Our children will learn a lot from Donald Trump.
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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You aren't the first to think along these lines:

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

--Socrates (469–399 B.C.)

So yea OP, congratulations on jumping on a nearly 2500 year old cliche bandwagon... and yet somehow the world keeps turning.
Thanks for that much-needed reminder.



So OP, do you have any solutions for this "rot" or are you just ranting?
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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Today's biggest problem:

People having kids when they are not ready financially, mentally, or emotionally
The instability of the nuclear family due to point #1
The extreme and easily accessible bread and circus of today's age. (Sports, porn, movies, tv shows, etc.)
The dumbification of the masses via bread and circus and poor education system.
The deficiency in nutrients/vitamins/minerals in our food supply due to genetic modification of seeds, soils, etc.
The economical to cheap pricing on junk food and the high cost on organic (rich in vitamins/nutrients/minerals) foods.
Pollution due to unnecessary over consumption or upgrades of tech gadgets, apparel, furniture, cars, etc.
People living beyond their means due to marketing hypnotizing them into believing they need more of the above.
The potent divide and conquer rhetoric that the mass media is constantly stating, showing, reinforcing, etc in print, radio, tv and online media.

Human beings are the beautiful letdown of the planet.
This is all very true!
I do think people can eat well economically, however, you must put thought and effort into it.
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:48 AM
 
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I think many people are in decline. However I don't blame not going to church, being lazy, or any such "moral failing".

I think it's mostly because of economic dislocation. We don't need as many people as in the past to run the economy. That's pretty abstract. Concretely, that means many people cannot get a job and feel useless, because well, they are useless.

Welfare is just a waystation on the road of decline. It can guarantee subsistence, but does nothing to address the anomie and knowledge that you are an "extra person".

Moreover it can encourage bad behavior out of boredom or desperation, since "idle hands are the devil's playthings".

The world of the 1950s is lost forever, mostly because stay at home moms have a lot less to do because of home appliances, and factory workers have fewer places to work because of automation and outsourcing. It's not hard to be a straight arrow when you have a sense of purpose and belonging. It's very hard to be one when you have no role in the world.

This problem is made worse by the fact that the agricultural and medical improvements in developing countries during the postwar period led to a massive worldwide baby boom that is coming of age just as the value of human labor is falling. If you think the human behavior is in decline, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:52 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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But the 1960's and 1970's ushered in a different period--influenced by communism--attacking all traditions and mores of the United States. Of the Christian United States that is.
I have to believe our irrational fear of COMMUNISM! has cost us far more in American blood and taxpayer $$$ than COMMUNISM! itself ever did.
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:56 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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And now, we've elected the one man to President that truly reflects America's cultural rot - Donald Trump.

Our children will learn from him that morals and integrity are now officially meaningless. They will learn from him that materialistic greed is the only "value" that matters; they will learn from him that they should always strive to be as confrontational and angry as possible when communicating with others. They will learn from him that throwing a tantrum will usually get their way - and above all else they will learn that they must ALWAYS get their way. They will learn that playing fair is for losers; because winning at any cost is all that matters in life.

Our children will learn a lot from Donald Trump.
Not if parents do their job.
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Old 01-18-2017, 09:04 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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Not if parents do their job.
Well, I do have an acquaintance who has canceled all of the family's media accounts. (The do not have TV or cable.) He contacted us by e-mail to ask us to reach out if a meteor is headed toward earth. They have also put their house on the market and are headed overseas. I think he's an interesting fellow. A little odd, but interesting.
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Old 01-18-2017, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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When it comes to the 50's(or any "bygone era", really) some people see only the good others see only the bad and few see the mixed bag that was more likely the reality. I think the real question is whether or not the good things from that era can exist without the bad, and if not what should we settle for instead?
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